DispensatorMysteriorum Posted March 31, 2021 Author Share Posted March 31, 2021 Well.... This thread discussed nearly everything BUT General Conference Predictions. Any last predictions? 3 Link to comment
Tacenda Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 54 minutes ago, DispensatorMysteriorum said: Well.... This thread discussed nearly everything BUT General Conference Predictions. Any last predictions? More women speakers? Link to comment
longview Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 Now that socialist radicals have achieved complete takeover of the Republic and the Supreme Court is cowed into submission, the Brethren will counsel us to start hunkering down, replenish our emergency storage, get straight with the spirit, and be prepared to flee into the wilderness (taking care to do so in order and by assignment and not repeat the mistakes of some of the saints that scrambled to Jackson County). 1 Link to comment
HappyJackWagon Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 2 hours ago, DispensatorMysteriorum said: Well.... This thread discussed nearly everything BUT General Conference Predictions. Any last predictions? I predict there will be fewer viewers for this conference than last. I also predict a lovely talk (or 2) about Easter. *I'm just playing the odds here. Link to comment
ttribe Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 1 hour ago, longview said: Now that socialist radicals have achieved complete takeover of the Republic and the Supreme Court is cowed into submission, the Brethren will counsel us to start hunkering down, replenish our emergency storage, get straight with the spirit, and be prepared to flee into the wilderness (taking care to do so in order and by assignment and not repeat the mistakes of some of the saints that scrambled to Jackson County). Are you serious? 1 Link to comment
Duncan Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 2 hours ago, longview said: Now that socialist radicals have achieved complete takeover of the Republic and the Supreme Court is cowed into submission, the Brethren will counsel us to start hunkering down, replenish our emergency storage, get straight with the spirit, and be prepared to flee into the wilderness (taking care to do so in order and by assignment and not repeat the mistakes of some of the saints that scrambled to Jackson County). you seem to have the ability to turn every discussion into nonsense about socialism 3 Link to comment
The Nehor Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 Last Minute Prediction: They will call Area Seventies and do the sustainings generally instead of saying each name individually. Link to comment
JustAnAustralian Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 I'm not really sure that's a prediction considering that's what they said they were going to do. (Though you may not have read that so maybe it was a prediction from your point of view) Link to comment
Emily Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 (edited) On 3/22/2021 at 1:19 PM, Rain said: To clarify I have no problem with wives speaking, but if they speak instead of the actual women leaders it shows that being a wife to a male leader means more than being a female leader. I'm uncomfortable with this comment. It seems to imply that in a fair and impartial world, being a wife would be considered a lesser calling than being a leader in the church. My husband can't even do his Ministering without asking for my help picking out Birthday presents or making cupcakes. I'm going to bet that wives of General Authorities do everything the average wife does to support their husband in their callings, and then a great deal more. If the church puts wives on an equal footing with other female church leaders (who get many opportunities to speak), then it's because these women are just as important as female office holders. Edited April 3, 2021 by Emily Link to comment
Meadowchik Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 6 minutes ago, Emily said: I'm uncomfortable with this comment. It seems to imply that in a fair and impartial world, being a wife would be considered a lesser calling than being a leader in the church. Consider your example. The wife has her calling as wife. The husband has his calling as husband, but also his church leadership calling. He has two callings and she has one. What is inaccurate about that? 3 Link to comment
Tacenda Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 7 minutes ago, Emily said: I'm uncomfortable with this comment. It seems to imply that in a fair and impartial world, being a wife would be considered a lesser calling than being a leader in the church. My husband can't even do his Ministering without asking for my help picking out Birthday presents or making cupcakes. I'm going to bet that wives of General Authorities do everything the average wife does to support their husband in their callings, and then a great deal more. If the church puts wives on an equal footing with other female church leaders (who get many opportunities to speak), then it's because these women are just as important as female office holders. I wish both would get more opportunities during conference. I missed the first half of conference today, but what I did watch didn't contain any women. I may be wrong though, in and out of the house cleaning up for family tomorrow. I remember Sister Camilla Kimball speaking the most. It would be cool to get their perspectives. Link to comment
Bernard Gui Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 (edited) On 3/23/2021 at 9:21 AM, Fair Dinkum said: 04. Due to the success of Stay at Home Church, which allows the church to count all 16.5 million members as active/attending members, Stay at Home Church will continue indefinably. Full activity numbers will continue to soar. All who are baptized are counted as members of the Church, even if they are inactive or estranged. We go to great lengths to fellowship them and bring them back. My sister and niece were counted as members for decades, even though they did not attend church nor agreed with its principles. Both came back to activity later in life. As the Lord commanded, “Nevertheless, ye shall not cast him out of your synagogues, or your places of worship, for unto such shall ye continue to minister; for ye know not but what they will return and repent, and come unto me with full purpose of heart, and I shall heal them; and ye shall be the means of bringing salvation unto them.” Edited April 3, 2021 by Bernard Gui 4 Link to comment
Popular Post bluebell Posted April 3, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 3, 2021 25 minutes ago, Emily said: I'm uncomfortable with this comment. It seems to imply that in a fair and impartial world, being a wife would be considered a lesser calling than being a leader in the church. My husband can't even do his Ministering without asking for my help picking out Birthday presents or making cupcakes. I'm going to bet that wives of General Authorities do everything the average wife does to support their husband in their callings, and then a great deal more. If the church puts wives on an equal footing with other female church leaders (who get many opportunities to speak), then it's because these women are just as important as female office holders. Do the husbands of our female leaders speak when they travel? I honestly don't know but it doesn't seem like they do. I think the reason that it annoys me a bit to have the wife speak is because they don't treat the husbands of female leaders the same way (unless they do and I just didn't know), which seems to suggest that the wives speak as helpmeets to their husbands, but that husbands are not seen as helpmeets to their wives. 6 Link to comment
JustAnAustralian Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 I wouldn't mind Harriet Uchdorf speaking (based on her experiences), but not at the expense of a female general President. 4 Link to comment
Chum Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 28 minutes ago, bluebell said: Do the husbands of our female leaders speak when they travel? Given that I want more women in every possible leadership role, I'd be interested in what it is like to support them - in a helpful and effective way. 1 Link to comment
Popular Post juliann Posted April 3, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 3, 2021 38 minutes ago, bluebell said: Do the husbands of our female leaders speak when they travel? I honestly don't know but it doesn't seem like they do. This is a good way to show how bizarre it is to prop up wives. It would seem almost comical for some random guy to pop up and take part of a woman expert’s speaking time. What’s the point? Would he tell cute stories of their family life before deferring to the speaker everyone came to hear? The reaction would be somewhat along the lines of whhhaaaaat? 7 Link to comment
Popular Post Rain Posted April 3, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 3, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, Emily said: I'm uncomfortable with this comment. It seems to imply that in a fair and impartial world, being a wife would be considered a lesser calling than being a leader in the church. It may seem that way, but it is not meant that way. Neither calling is lesser than. They are just 2 different callings. I am saying when you replace a woman leader with a wife then it gives the impression that a wife of a male leader is more important to that ward/stake/region/earth than a woman leader. Imagine if every stake conference the stake RSP spoke and then occasionally her husband spoke, but never did the stake president speak. An RSP has authority within her calling to serve half the people in the church/stake/ward (unless you count all those times when she is actually serving families, single dads etc and then you realize she covers a lot more than the women). The wife of a president has authority within...her family. That's not saying she has lesser authority. It is only saying that she has no leadership authority within the specific church group and yet we are hearing her over someone who does have that leadership authority. The exceptions to this are those few instances when she is called and set apart in a partnership with her husband in his calling. Quote My husband can't even do his Ministering without asking for my help picking out Birthday presents or making cupcakes. I'm going to bet that wives of General Authorities do everything the average wife does to support their husband in their callings, and then a great deal more. If the church puts wives on an equal footing with other female church leaders (who get many opportunities to speak), then it's because these women are just as important as female office holders. Edited April 4, 2021 by Rain 7 Link to comment
Scott Lloyd Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 On 3/31/2021 at 12:56 PM, Duncan said: you seem to have the ability to turn every discussion into nonsense about socialism I think Longview is yanking your chain. 1 Link to comment
strappinglad Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 (edited) Some here don't really believe that Jesus walked on water. To them the scriptures are all metaphor anyway. The boat is a metaphor, so are the waves . etc. According to scripture Jesus said that He would have gathered the people under his protection like a hen gathers her chicks under her wings BUT YOU WOULD NOT . I have actually watched that behavior in chickens. The hen calls and the chicks come running and gather under her... but there are some chicks that only stay there for a short time and then peek out or wander off. Metaphor again. Peter showed himself to be impulsive. Note the cutting off of the soldiers ear, or the swearing to never betray Christ. It took him a while to learn the water walking lesson. As for the OP , after the Sunday sessions we can look back here and see who are prophets and who are not. As for me, I will guess that there will be at least one talk on the resurrection. 😉 Edited April 3, 2021 by strappinglad 1 Link to comment
halconero Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 Last minute guess - but I think we might be moving towards abolishing young single adult and mid-single adult wards, or at least finding different ways to integrate them with family wards. https://www.deseret.com/faith/2021/4/1/22362436/president-nelson-shares-lessons-learned-as-prophet-at-general-conference-leadership-session Quote President Ballard, acting president of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, gave direction about the church’s announcement Wednesday that single adult men under 30 in young single adult wards and stakes now may serve as counselors in stake presidencies as well as bishoprics, on high councils and as stake Sunday School presidents and counselors. Single adult women in YSA wards and stakes can serve as Stake Relief Society presidents and counselors. Link to comment
rongo Posted April 4, 2021 Share Posted April 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, halconero said: Last minute guess - but I think we might be moving towards abolishing young single adult and mid-single adult wards, or at least finding different ways to integrate them with family wards. https://www.deseret.com/faith/2021/4/1/22362436/president-nelson-shares-lessons-learned-as-prophet-at-general-conference-leadership-session I doubt it, but that was President Packer's wish. He sustained the collective choice of the quorum/First Presidency, but felt strongly that there shouldn't be separate single's wards. He told us this when he deferred to Elder Maxwell at a stake conference to talk about YSA wards when my wife and I were at BYU. Link to comment
Popular Post bluebell Posted April 4, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 4, 2021 2 hours ago, Chum said: Given that I want more women in every possible leadership role, I'd be interested in what it is like to support them - in a helpful and effective way. I think one important thing to do is to support their voices. Women are more likely to be interrupted than men and less likely to be listened to, but even when that's not an immediate hurdle, we've been conditioned by those experiences in the past to speak up less frequently. So we often need to be encouraged to speak and then listened to when we do. 5 Link to comment
The Nehor Posted April 4, 2021 Share Posted April 4, 2021 4 hours ago, JustAnAustralian said: I'm not really sure that's a prediction considering that's what they said they were going to do. (Though you may not have read that so maybe it was a prediction from your point of view) Nope, it was a Hail Mary to be right and you ruined it. 1 Link to comment
Duncan Posted April 4, 2021 Share Posted April 4, 2021 4 hours ago, rongo said: I doubt it, but that was President Packer's wish. He sustained the collective choice of the quorum/First Presidency, but felt strongly that there shouldn't be separate single's wards. He told us this when he deferred to Elder Maxwell at a stake conference to talk about YSA wards when my wife and I were at BYU. my older sister told me that when they brought in the then YSA Branch here, the before and after was crazy. Before they had more activity with YSA's but less marriages after they created the branch (it's was a ward and now a twig) but they had more marriages but more inactivity, so it's a question of what do you want more marriages or more inactivity. I can't remember the last marriage that came out of the YSA group Link to comment
rongo Posted April 4, 2021 Share Posted April 4, 2021 10 hours ago, Duncan said: my older sister told me that when they brought in the then YSA Branch here, the before and after was crazy. Before they had more activity with YSA's but less marriages after they created the branch (it's was a ward and now a twig) but they had more marriages but more inactivity, so it's a question of what do you want more marriages or more inactivity. I can't remember the last marriage that came out of the YSA group There are still a lot of marriages that come out of the YSA wards, and many of them remain active, productive families. But, mileage varies, and they aren't good experiences for everyone. I'm pretty traditional/conservative, but I don't think dissolving them and putting all YSAs back into the family wards everywhere would be a net, overall positive for most YSAs. I personally think they do more good than there would be without them (leadership roulette plays into this). And, you kind of have no other choice on college campuses with a lot of LDS students. In areas where they just aren't working well, the YSAs may as well go with the family wards on their own volition. 1 Link to comment
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