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  1. Yeah, but that is not limited to the church. It is everyone except people who do a lot of video calls.
  2. There is no need for anyone specific to take it first. That is just a custom in the church that serves some practical purposes (lets person presiding have a full chance to correct any mistakes, allows them to partake early so they can observe everyone else receiving it to make sure it gets to everyone and is passed correctly, etc.) Since no one at a home sacrament meeting holds the keys to the ordinance no one has to take it first even by custom. If you want to let the person who would be presiding if we were living the patriarchal order take it first you can but you do not have to.
  3. You mean the concerns about kids not having socialization and being a bit behind on education? No, I agree with them that those are problem. It is a terrible problem. I just doubt it will be worse than the mass infections opening the schools will inevitably cause. Israel was doing better than the US in regards to the pandemic in general. They opened their schools back up in May when they thought they had a lid on it. Hundreds of schools had to shut back down and tens of thousands and students and staff were quarantined. There are no good options. There are just less bad options. If we had taken our medicine and contained the spread earlier we might be able to open schools but the virus is too widespread and we do not have it anywhere close to contact tracing. It will get into almost every school and the way schools are set up they will have a lot of spread. As to the problems that are just beginning some will probably be worse than large-scale spread in schools. The impending mass evictions for example. Nothing like becoming homeless in the middle of a pandemic. Pretty accurate. The chart left out most of the nations that are likely concealing cases on a large-scale basis except possibly the USA in the last few weeks. I am worried about the recent reporting shift causing our data to be incorrect.
  4. While horrible the US is not currently suffering from food shortages nor is anyone under travel restrictions preventing them from going to a hospital. In fact when schools were shut down most school districts I am aware of that had them kept their meal programs going to make sure vulnerable kids could eat. I condemn some of the measures used in other nations but I am not willing to use them as an analogy to argue the US needs to reopen restaurants and schools. If our system cannot prevent societal collapse when we have plenty of food and enough housing for everyone but need people to do a little less to keep alive maybe the problem is with the system itself and not the restrictions meant to preserve life?
  5. By that standard we have racism, child abuse, wage theft, and public urination are also not "still around". Making something illegal does not necessarily end it. Yes, and that is the case with almost all societal ills. Slavery is still around. I just think you are completely wrong about ascribing that change to capitalism. Capitalism does not independently have a morality. The people who practice it might. That legal chattel slavery ended when it started to become unprofitable does not speak well to the system having any kind of morality. Changes in technology were the primary motivator. So what does that mean if technology starts making slavery profitable again?
  6. I don’t agree but I like the way you think and it made me giggle.
  7. It is still around. We also did not extinguish it at the end of the Civil War. Sharecropping was a form of serfdom and southern prisons were leasing out their black inmates as slaves almost before the ink was dry on the amendment abolishing chattel slavery. It was not a "one and done" deal. Also, capitalism did not start in 1861. Slavery began in the colonies because it was profitable under capitalism and grew out of the also despicable practice of indentured servitude because it was inefficient to let your coerced labor go. By your logic shouldn't it never have started under capitalism?
  8. Capitalism in various forms has existed for millenia and most of those capitalist societies had some form of slavery. Chattel slavery started to go away with the advent of industrialization which did not work well with slave labor. The League of Nations stamped out most of what was left (one of its positive legacies) though it persists in a few areas. Cotton was one of the last industries that profited heavily from the practice so it stuck around where it was being grown. It was not a purely moral decision in the North or the South. It was practical. In a capitalist society slavery flourishes where it is profitable (surprise, surprise). Other questionable forms of exploitation that border on slavery flourished after the end of chattel slavery. You had the union busters preventing workers from organizing (a constitutionally protected practice), you had the company store model to redirect employee wages back, and other forms that could, in extreme cases, border on serfdom (sharecroppers). The current exploitation is more to pull from the public generally (usually the government). Capitalist business owners have full-time jobs that do not provide enough to live on and expect government to make up the difference by subsidizing their employees with housing, food, and medical care. They reap the benefit and dodge the cost. In a pure capitalist society those jobs would not exist. You could argue it is a loose serfdom where they outsource the costs of their employees to taxpayers. The history of the current protests leads back to police departments which were largely formed to outsource the security costs of established businesses and the labor costs of union busting to the government. Businesses (especially those above a certain size) also currently practice socialism amongst themselves by arguing they are "too big to fail" or whatever and insist on bailouts or subsidies or tax breaks or whatever because we need them. Capitalism says we should let them die out because they failed. The current US system is socialism for "important" businesses and a "sink or swim" free market for the masses. Can we really be surprised that the masses want in on that kind of a deal? If we want capitalism we have to actually practice capitalism and we don't start with food stamps. We start with the corn lobby and we let banks fail and we start severely punishing companies that violate the law to the point of nationalizing the worst offenders who buy their way out of their sins with relatively paltry fines (looking at you pharmaceuticals industry). We can't stay in this halfway spot forever. It will eventually collapse or end in revolution. Also, your stark dichotomy of capitalism vs. socialism is a myth. Neither has (according to our historical record at least) ever existed. There are also more explicit in between states like market socialism, syndicalism, and all the other European countries straddling the line you did not mention as socialist because they are in between. You also talk about corruption but corruption implies there was some kind of pure Ur-Capitalism we dissented from. The earliest free market supporters figured the best way to address a surplus in the labor supply was death by starvation to rebalance the economy. There was also a lot of slavery in those early societies. Capitalism has done a lot of good. It has also shown that if it is unchecked it can be a monster. It is agnostic on slavery and generally amoral.
  9. Yeah, that is the drunk man riding the horse that falls off and gets back on and leans the other way to prevent a repeat and falls off the other side.
  10. Hopefully at least in regard to making the kids stay in church clothes all day without going outside this experience will help them to remove the detached tree branches from their rectums. I have seen too much good done by the organization to help those in distress in this crisis to believe that is true. I guess if nothing went wrong in your own home it would be an easy conclusion to come to. I am a ward clerk so I am not technically in the bishopric but the bishop and his counselors here are also enjoying the reprieve. The bishop less so because welfare is eating up more of his time but he still has more now. I have also seen the 'workaholic' types in nearby wards and stakes going stir-crazy. One stake was having zoom meetings with the stake presidency, the high council, and all the Bishops twice every week going for two to three hours. When I asked someone involved in these meetings what they could possibly have to talk about that long my friend said it is mindless reports mostly. He said he waits for his turn and does something else while listening to it in the background. His only worry is they have talked about maybe wanting everyone on video in the future with the tacit expectation of church dress. I am glad I am not in those meetings. I would be tempted to wear jogging shorts and a tanktop just to see what the reaction would be and hurry my release so I no longer had to attend that meeting. I expect a lot of the semiactive will stop coming. We might lose a few every Sunday people but I think most will return. I think a lot of the people who sort of kind of believed or just wanted to come in hopes it would help their children will vanish and I can't say I would be too sorry to see them go. I mean, I am but if your main intent in going to church is to hope others will parent your children I do wonder if it would be healthier for the family just not to come at all. I hope we will reexamine the meeting schedules we have and "cut the fat" as we have been told to for decades now. I also hope that whatever is left of the bloc (which I do not count as 'the fat') after this will enlivened by the experiences of home church and we can bring some of that back to the chapel. My evil secret desire is that the Sunday Dress Standards will go away entirely and just be nice clothing whether that is jeans and a shirt or a full suit with no one caring what everyone else wears. I have been doing my part by dressing below, but not offensively below, the standards for years now. Hey, I can dream.
  11. This would actually help. We have needed a separate term to distinguish embodied and disembodied angels. That way we can ask instead of having to stick out our hand and do the 'put her there pal' test.
  12. No, that is a separate case involving a temple though the text says the police think they might be connected. I am guessing that is more the reporter asking the police and getting a "maybe" instead of the police having a really solid lead on them being connected. I could be wrong though.
  13. I would be careful about modeling it after a regular sacrament meeting. The instruction is not to mimic a sacrament meeting, possibly to avoid people thinking they can do one just as well at home once it is over and that priesthood in the home does not have authority to run a full sacrament meeting. That being said meeting together for the sacrament and having a study session or discussion or whatever is very appropriate. Find out what works and go with it.
  14. Hard work probably won't kill me but why take the chance? It is more that I do not have a passion for it. Well, I do occasionally but it rarely lasts.
  15. While a valuable part of apocalyptic prophecy is the ability to see the hand of God in events I think the more important purpose is to lend comfort to the afflicted that one day things will be made right. You may not live to see it but you will be there anyways. I think the saints of our church who have endured substantial persecution and threats have probably understood it the best in the same way the people of the seven churches did. Then again we have the promise that a future generation would understand the book better. I have my doubts about it being this generation. That said I have already tried to fit Covid into Revelation so I do not completely discount the other practice. I do it more for fun and take it with a grain of salt and look askance at anyone who claims that their interpretation is completely accurate. Unfortunately Covid does not generally torment people for five months so it is not the locusts though there are some horrifying stories of people seeking death and being unable to find it. Unless it really gets cracking it is unlikely to kill a third of the population so it is not the horseman. Unless we find that it came on a meteor it is probably not wormwood either. This isn't working at all.
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