Duncan

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I was under the impression that OSF already had a disclaimer. This is a kind of odd lawsuit though, the Church is saying it's a "victory for satan" if we use the term "Mormon" but anyone else can't use it either? They don't want a victory for Satan but they don't want Satan to lose in court?

keep in mind too that conservative nutjob Andrew Sullivan has AIDS

you keep invalidating your own argument and what a waste of time to talk to you, I honestly don't think your reading comprehension skills are lacking Get your own witness if you ask for but won't believe others' witness of Christ

Christ can manifest himself anyway that he wants and people can see things in dreams, you don't get to choose how and when Christ manifests himself to people, you can't be that arrogant or are you?

I did read the quote, I provided the quote and you are the reason why more prophets don't share their witness, you keep moving the goalposts and won't believe their witness anyways, so you are to blame for it and like I said if you don't like the way, or the place something is shared get your own witness and stop demanding people fit into your paradigm I fully believe Pres. Kimball et all saw Christ and if you don't believe then what do I or Pres. Kimball care?

if you bother to read my post then you would have seen this part, "Telling the world at General Conference, " I have seen him" how much more open and public can you get? Work out your own problems but don't project them onto Prophets besides the also very public accounts of Melvin J. Ballard, David B. Haight, Orson F. Whitney and a string of others

read this, about Pres. Kimball sharing his witness of Christ besides it literally doesn't matter where someone shares something and it certainly doesn't invalidate it any "Then several years later, in the April 1978 General Conference, President Kimball again adopted the words of another to express his own similar special witness: “ ‘I know that God lives. I know that Jesus Christ lives,’ said John Taylor [George Q. Cannon], my predecessor, ‘for I have seen him.’ I bear this testimony to you brethren in the name of Jesus Christ.”[28] (The use of President Taylor’s name was an error, with President Kimball actually meaning President George Q. Cannon, as he had in the earlier address.) These testimonies support the account of the sister missionary quoted above." http://www.truthwillprevail.xyz/2021/07/president-spencer-w-kimballs-special.html Telling the world at General Conference, " I have seen him" how much more open and public can you get?

no, he did mention quite a few times, in his journal and in a conference session in the late 70's- I had assumed you already knew that though what difference where someone says it? it doesn't invalidate the experience I'm waiting to hear about your vision of Christ

your two statements don't make any sense "only" Joseph F. Smith claimed to have seen Jesus, but how can you say that when you also said that you want me to find these other people's statements, as if you know what they are in order to make your first statement that "only" Joseph F. Smith said he saw Christ-which is in Section 138 by the way. Just because someone lied once doesn't mean we throw absolutely everything they ever said out, that is so balck and white thinking. I'll give you one, from Pres. Kimball. This is from the Grandson of a lady who heard served a mission in 1947 when he related the following “She told me that because of the caliber of missionaries he was addressing, Elder Kimball felt at liberty to speak more freely than the Brethren generally do about the sacred and solemn interviews involved in calling an apostle and qualifying him to stand as a special witness of the Lord Jesus Christ in all the earth. He told them a story familiar to many of us—of the anxiety and the inadequacy he felt; of the nagging doubt that he had been called, not by revelation, but because he was the grandson of President Heber C. Kimball; and of his flight to the mountains, amid fasting and prayer, to seek a witness from the Lord that the call had come from Him and not from man….: “This [apostle] revealed an additional and dramatic detail about how that witness came. President Kimball . . . saw the Lord Jesus and heard from the mouth of the Savior Himself the soul-cheering affirmation, ‘I have called you to be my witness to the world. Doubt not, but be of good cheer.’” Sister Evelyn Larsen, Central States Mission, June 1947" If you refuse to believe anyone's personal witness then why don't you get your own vision of Christ?

Besides the quotations already given to you, as far as prophets are concerned, Joseph F. Smith, Heber J. Grant, David O. McKay, Spencer W. Kimball, Ezra Taft Benson and a host of other apostles and church leaders have all publicly stated that they have seen Christ.

what do you think about apostles and prophets who said they have seen him? How would you know they are lying?

you might find this enlightening https://speeches.byu.edu/talks/truman-g-madsen/olive-press/

Mormon or exmormon, it's all the same topics, they just keep round and round, which is why it's bores me to no end. For example something bad happens or shocking or new comes out, it makes the rounds and no one has any more info than anyone else, they would all read the same announcement, they don't have any insider info.

Some may find this BYU report interesting, it's 80 pages but it's about the African American LDS experience https://byu.app.box.com/s/ltxf5sdfzg3czyb3nj9g1uy3qe71s7gk?fbclid=IwY2xjawQDChlleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETJWTFNocHpZdnNUNTl6UlRTc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHtSJ2VE7G2LfUnyt0WEcAYsB_tosAtWeG32bsBPpyITpAdKZAcBK3t2lZdmo_aem_PFjPS9u7V71LY2rIss_vcg

We had a MP here and was a Bishop in St. George? Utah, or that area and he told us that one time someone tragically died in his ward and he had a flood of phone calls from people to see if the family needed anything and if they could bring food over and he was like JUST DO IT!!!! don't call me about it! You don't need permission to be nice to someone! my Mom told me once "The heck with the meeting, just do it!!!"

this is ridiculous and shame on you, people who disagree with you are labeled as "exmo" or "trolls" or "fake" screw you and your high horse you rode in on

They sound real to me so good enough for me, as I say the church falls on it's own sword and we'll see what happens

this was a few years ago and he HATES BYU but what can you do now? I feel for him. He didn't say what he said to his bishop but he qualifies for a recommend so what's the issue? I talked two weeks ago about how people in the church, and out, are getting convicted of various crimes...of course you won't admit to it if your livelyhood was on the line, like if you vape, your bishop could take away your recommend and you lose your job and so depending on what is going on the problem could get worse or you get caught and we are seeing that now with that BYU football player, investigated for a year and now he's out

asked and answered. I gave you the example of my friend, another who said women weren't valued, with quotations, and the comment about DEI. Time will tell to see how much a mess the church has made, we're still slogging out ole' Bruce McConkie

oh, he is and was a temple worker and so he has his recommend but couldn't get his endorsement from his Bishop because of something he said to the guy sometime earlier that the Bishop took the wrong way and now he couldn't get hired. He protested, and had an interview with someone but because his bishop wouldn't sign off he wasn't hired and so he was like F BYU and moved to Europe and works there now. His MP was a GA and I think? he got him the interview to see if they could by pass the bishop but alas nothing came from it

I know one brother who this exactley happened to, PH.D. in a certain area, from a prestigious university, that has members that do what he does maybe less than 25 i'd imagine "Under him, the requirements for being hired as faculty began to include a sort of "loyalty oath," which is stricter than even what is required to hold a temple recommend. It basically uses one's testimony as a job requirement, but in an ambiguous way that leaves BYU higher-ups in charge of determining if your testimony and loyalty to the church is high enough. There are other aspects to it, but for some it's basically become "I don't want to make this comment in Sunday School because it might be seen as controversial and so-and-so could mention it to the boss and I could lose my job." I posted this below, but my chances of being hired at BYU are pretty small now since my spouse has left the church and that has begun to factor in as well regarding the potential faculty's loyalty to the church." I meet with him via zoom usually once a week. He doesn't live in the US anymore and couldn't get hired at BYU, and their loss here's another comment I found from someone " "He’s definitely on the very conservative end of the spectrum, which is one thing. But what majorly bugs me is that he’s really opposed to moral relativism and DEI. He’s actually described these as being ‘worldly influences’ in quite a number of CES events. As someone who is an immigrant and has suffered direct racism from other members, it doesn’t sit well with me for obvious reasons. And his view in the past was that racism is something that is worldly. But it doesn’t really work in practice because the self-improvement requires self-realization, of which is then some element of DEI. He cited Mandela and reconciliation, but doing so requires self-understanding. I also once had a discussion with other members where I pointed out that in Judaism, doing good is placed higher than being pious. The response from quite a few members was that we do good because Jesus said so. But by that response, does it mean that non-Christians are incapable of doing good things because they don’t believe in Jesus? And different cultures have different values. Does it mean that a matriarchal society is inherently lesser? I don’t think so. But based on past talks and speeches, I would think he would say so." and i've seen this type of comment a few times " "Like all the “adjunct professors” At BYU — their secret code for “a woman who can teach this as well as a highly paid faculty member, but who we won’t hire fulltime, AND will pay her in ‘blessings’ instead of a living wage.” BYU’s bread and butter is being a shady employer, forcing people who could/should be compensated properly to work for peanuts and pats on the head." The Church is its own worst enemy, forget evangelicals, atheists etc. it's the people in the church

I have read that one of Elder Gilbert's kids went to BYU an has now left the Church, I wonder if that has fueled his hatred of BYU to try to take it out on professors Elder Gilbert is a problem the church has created and other apostles will have to reign him in just like past apostles like , Moyle, Benson, Packer, McConkie etc.

the article you are referring to doesn't say that records of call are destroyed every day, if that were true then lawyers would have one day to build a case against whomever. It say "routinely" destroyed

oh thank you very much! That's great!