Duncan

the article you are referring to doesn't say that records of call are destroyed every day, if that were true then lawyers would have one day to build a case against whomever. It say "routinely" destroyed

oh thank you very much! That's great!

when the book comes out, let me know I am super interest in that area. I have been reading about East Germany and their saints and troubles and whatnot before the wall fell.

I wouldn't report anyone about their immigration status, I would report someone (illegal or not) if they were doing something illegal like criminal activity and I knew for sure that was what was going on

I found the comment, it's from 2015 from a blog comment, by common consent "Elder Scott told us that the First Presidency was the only group who new that the Nauvoo Temple was to be rebuilt, the Quorum of the Twelve did not yet know about it. He said the First Presidency had not decided how and when to announce it. Elder Scott taught us that day that you never know when the Spirit will prompt you to do something and so you really have to act on every one to find out. He cautioned us against saying, “The Spirit prompted me….”, because sometimes it’s hard to tell. He bore his testimony to us, in a way that I have never seen before or since from an Apostle. He ensured he shook each of our hands and looked us square in the eye. I will always remember that day in South Seattle where while I was on the Lord’s errand, I met with one of the Lord’s special witnesses."

I've heard also the 12 didn't know anything about the Nauvoo being rebuilt, rededicated, also the 70 didn't know anything about the lowering of the ages to 18 and 19 with Pres. Monson

We're talking about Canada and Bill C-9, Canada isn't a "moslem" country The Jewish Foundation Provincial President, who was at the groundbreaking of the temple here, gets harassing phone calls every week from this one guy but none rise to the level of hate speech or wishing her personal death, aside from restraining orders this guy needs to stop but the police can't do anything

that's right

so , yeah, if you are bothering or trying to prevent someone from entering a temple, like following people into the temple shouting nonsense at them then you would be held accountable for that

it's not just "speech" but a certain kind of "speech" If you are using the pulpit or classroom to instill fear or violence against someone else then yeah, you should be in trouble. Keep in mind to the Church already said that se@uality and politics should not be talked about over the pulpit

IMO, only if it leads to violence (the Government is worried or something), I say my opinion as I don't speak for the Government! Canada has the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms and so you have the right to free speech, assembly, freedom of conscience but when you start advocating for criminal activity, as violence is, then you cross the line. The Church is worried about a potential misuse of Bill C-9 but I can't think of a single religious freedom that has been taken away, enshrined in the CCRF, that has been taken away by the Government so I am not sure what there is to be worried apart on the part of the Canada Area

My take is the Government here is trying to crack down on hate speech that leads to violence and/or hatred towards others, so you shouldn't use the Church's teaching or scriptures to justify your inciting violence or hatred towards others, which position I think is great. We are to be peacemakers so I am confused as to why the Church here is cautious against "preventing misuse" I have talked to others and we can't think of a single religious right taken away in our lifetimes being a member of church here in Canada, so what "misuse" they are thinking of is mind boggling. In fact the province here just put up a million bucks to help churches, synagogues, mosques etc. in cleaning up any hate symbols or vandalism etc. So, it's good the Government is cracking down on the cause of it

We had Pres. Nelson and Elder Anderson and wives come in 2018, Elder Gong dedicated the temple here in 2021 and then Elder Stevenson came and did a stake conference in 2025 but did a combined Stake Conference leadership plus 2 stakes from the next province over for the leadership mtg. Prior to 2018 it was 2005 for Eyring coming here

Not too surprising, still sad https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/president-jeffrey-r-holland-memorial

To be fair they used to announce temples at press conferences outside of general conference, as far as I know announcing temples at conference is a late 1990's thing and it's gone on ever since

you won't read my explanation so you have only yourself to blame for your ignorance

Oaky? it would take you a shorter amount of time to read back a few posts then to type out all this most of which I never said

go back and read through the discussion, clue, it all started with Long view's post and my response

hardly, it's God system not mine

so no leader teaches that then, who ignorant now? as I say God set up life so that almost no one will hear the truth here, for whatever reason(s)

I know all of this...the discussion was about those who were rebellious here in this life, which would account for hardly anyone, numerically speaking

oh the drama, so you're telling me they had LDS missionaries in England in the year 206 and Thailand in 12,000 BC? What leader teaches that?

that would be about 12 people in the history of the world though, for some reason God didn't see fit to have 99% of the world to have the true Gospel

If there ever was a "random dude" called to the Apostleship it was Howard W. Hunter. Wasn't from Utah, no connection to BYU, never served a mission, wasn't a mission president,wasn't a Seventy. He was a lawyer from Los Angeles, Stake President like a thousand others. He was on some Welfare committee for the Los Angeles area but nothing really out of the ordinary

he also was a Regional Representative