Jump to content

Nofear

Members
  • Posts

    1,784
  • Joined

  • Last visited

2 Followers

Profile Information

  • Gender
    Male

Recent Profile Visitors

The recent visitors block is disabled and is not being shown to other users.

Nofear's Achievements

Mentor

Mentor (12/14)

  • Reacting Well Rare
  • Dedicated Rare
  • Very Popular Rare
  • Posting Machine Rare
  • Collaborator

Recent Badges

1.3k

Reputation

  1. CV75 responded with the data suggesting greater weight on the pillars of care and fairness by liberals. Weighting those values of greater import doesn't mean the other values don't matter to them. No one is claiming that. It may inform how one responds if their is a perceived tension between the ideals. One will tend to bias the values one holds with more gravitas. Nothing groundbreaking with that comment.
  2. Honestly, I'm not sure what you are talking about. I don't know what you think I'm presuming. You can try to show me that I'm really saying this or that but I'm really mostly just confuzzled by your comments. Maybe your conflating my comments with another or something. Don't know, nor do I think it matters much. I'm not really trying to persuade anything. I was mostly just showing appreciation for CV75's approach.
  3. Like you chose not to affiliate as either Republican or Democrat. I'm not sure what you think I'm opposing though. I personally tend to put weight into other values as do conservatives, but it doesn't mean that I'm opposed to those that weigh their values differently.
  4. Nice analysis. It does seem to try to hit people's buttons. Some will care about one more than others. Liberals tend to prioritize care/harm above all else and conservatives are more equitably spread among the five pillars. But an appeal to the other pillars one doesn't value as much doesn't usually make invalid the argument so long as it makes sense to those moral pillars one does prioritize. And really, the release is more directed at the more conservative than the more liberal since the care/harm will trump all else and they usually don't need vaccine prodding.
  5. I very much appreciate Moral Foundations theory (and have brough Haidt's book up before on this board). Alas, so many of the comments to your OP seem to entirely miss the point, CV75. While Daryl Davis (https://www.theguardian.com/music/2020/mar/18/daryl-davis-black-musician-who-converts-ku-klux-klan-members) may not have exactly employed Moral Foundation theory explicitly in his thinking, there is some explanatory power in the theory for why his actions succeeded. Or Cassie Jaye's awakening (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WMuzhQXJoY). Or this woman's journey from the Westboro Baptist church: https://www.ted.com/talks/megan_phelps_roper_i_grew_up_in_the_westboro_baptist_church_here_s_why_i_left?language=en)
  6. Not my experience. Heck, the Preach my Gospel manual specifically warns against it. The table shortly above that quote (https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/preach-my-gospel-a-guide-to-missionary-service/how-do-i-recognize-and-understand-the-spirit?lang=eng) also doesn't emphasize feelings. Whatever narrative you feel is justified as being correct because of your past experiences should be replaced with a more accurate one. No need to set up a straw man to beat the Church about with.
  7. There is wiggle room, yes. Another Joseph Smith quote: How are physical body responds to the stimuli the spirit body receives can be varied. While the Spirit should pretty much always enlighten the mind; emotion, physical fatigue, energy, etc. are other responses. We don't know exactly the mind/body/spirit physiological pathways all that well.
  8. I actually remember talking with my mtc branch president that I was worried I wasn't experiencing such emotions like so many of the missionaries around me. He assured me that his own spiritual experiences were frequently not heavily tied to emotion. Joseph Smith has his spin on it Whether or not his opinion about Israelite blood has any merit or not, the point is that to him it was clear that emotions were not always tied to the Spirit. Emotions are a secondary effect for some, some of the time. Some members have confused the two, however. But just because I get emotional listening to a good country song (a rarity) or cute video of animal or kitten kindness, I don't relate such emotions as being spiritual.
  9. Alma 40:23 "The soul shall be restored to the body, and the body to the soul; yea, and every limb and joint shall be restored to its body; yea, even a hair of the head shall not be lost; but all things shall be restored to their proper and perfect frame." What proper and perfect frame means is pretty ambiguous. Are vestigial organs (like one's coccyx, but many more https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_vestigiality) proper and perfect (e.g. Can Pres. Monson still twitch his ears)? And let's not be some earth centric in our thinking. Our earth is one of countless inhabited worlds. Probably some are around stars of slightly different temperatures and hence different solar radiation and hence the planet's atmosphere could be different to protect. Melanin gives our skin our color but that coloration is pretty arbitrary. I could easily see a world where skin color variation is quite different, like blue or green. Or maybe not uniform like we see now. Put the pigmentation gene on the X chromosome and thinks look a lot different (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD6h-wDj7bw). Our fifth little toe is pretty pointless. Is that a must for everybody on all worlds? Long story short... I don't know, but I'm going to keep a pretty open mind about it.
  10. Just as a technical note, it's not the Celestial Kingdom that is prohibited, it's the highest degree of the Celestial Kingdom where we would eventually be allowed the opportunity to be as our Father and Mother in Heaven and do the works they do. I am not privy to all that entails, but it apparently entails a companionship of a male and female. Though, that clarification just kicks the can down the road as it were and doesn't really answer your question.
  11. https://publicsquaremag.org/dialogue/beating-ploughshares-into-swords/
  12. One of the things that this incident illustrates very clearly is how being an upper middle-class, hightly educated, cisgender, married, white, male allows me to the right and privilege to not be offended when others say things I don't like.
  13. I personally hold that to be true which 1) has my own personal witness and 2) is consistent with the teachings of the prophets. And if the two don't agree (which happens), I hold my position in abeyance until further light and knowledge is gained.
  14. I am reasonably confident Elder Holland regrets that his speech was so easily construed to misrepresent his intentions. While I don't know him personally, the article below conveys what I believe to be true. https://publicsquaremag.org/dialogue/racial-healing/the-elder-holland-i-know/
×
×
  • Create New...