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  1. I’ve read several books on the case. A couple by a juror in Lori Vallows trial. He published the 3rd one. Not sure I will by it. People don’t ask to serve on jury trials. Some of the people on the trial may have been active LDS and others not members. One Amazon review said it was anti LDS. Perspective of juries. Point of book is what created monsters like Vallow and Daybell. Fundamentalists create those beliefs but like judge Boyce said would any in any religion justify there actions. Not normal Latter Day Saint upbringing. Lore Hellas I think that’s her name co authored another book children of darkness and light. Have t gotten to that book yet. Books I have t read.
  2. In the 1970’s the church started hosting area Conferences in various places of the world. Replaced by Regional Conferences that took the place of Stake Conferences when held. Then Satellite conferences took the place of that Stake Conferences that year. Then the satellite conference was an additional conference and stakes had two conferences a year. Been a few years since I been to one. Stakes just have there two conferences a year. With Area Seventies having the same authority in there area as General Authorities, General Authorities presided but since you can call as many Area Seventies as needed they can cover stake conferences, An apostle going to stake conferences is rare, not practical. They may go to regional training and attend a stake conference in that area. We just had that happen. But that’s a once in a few decades thing now. Just wonder if regional or area conferences are now a thing of the past.
  3. Who sees unsolicited things show up on Facebook or YouTube? One I sen on YouTube was a rise of Zion by Seth Saunders. Comes on Facebook too. Quoting some conference talk, calling of apostles, things an apostle said at area meeting, and fit that in with sign of the times. There have been people like that since the days of Paul. M. Russell Ballard 1996 BYU devotional said he does not know when the 2nd coming will be, none of his brethren in twelve so no one else does. There always will be people that make guesses though.
  4. Now it is called membership restrictions formerly disfellowshipped and withdrawal formerly excommunication. I don’t think a High Council participates in membership councils formerly disciplinary councils. Leaders do not say what goes on in those councils. Respect privacy of the people involved in councils. I am sure most people that need to repent are humble about it and will work with their leaders so the full repentance process can take place. Since details of councils are kept confidential you won’t hear from leaders there. But the apostates rant about the injustice of the council, things they did wrong on and on. People that did not make the rules or seek their positions. That is people that don’t want to repent but find fault with those called to preside over them.
  5. Anyone read it? He feels behavior is more important than a belief system and what if Christ wrote his own creeds. Articles of faith are not found in his teachings. Is that another person making God after his own image? His wife and another friend wrote books and art on Heavenly Mother. Do they know much about her? I read some of Richard Ostlers social media, he is obsessed with lbgtq people, but has done podcasts and wrote books about not wearing garments if you don’t feel like, don’t judge those. If mission is not for you or if people leave the church support it. We believe in Agency and personal revelation there. Will you get revelation to leave the church or if worthy not go on mission as young man. Take off garment. His point good to do those things but for some ok not too. Or don’t worry about them not doing it. Saw that interview with Ostler and Hinckley. In follow the prophet song some girl wondered were the women were when pictures of prophets were given in the song. We follow the prophet regardless of gender, national origin or race. Jesus’s image is marred more than any other man. Use him to defend any position. He did organize a church and disciples of Christ keep all the commandments not just being kind to people.
  6. Now Chad is writing letters from jail. I believe his daughter Emma is posting them on twitter. Those that read them. Delusional, never did anything wrong himself. Unjustly excommunicated, couldn’t appeal ,it in time. Wasn’t done properly. Knows more than stake leaders called of God. Most apostates don’t think there excommunication is just. didn’t kill anyone. County jail isolated. False beliefs about church in trial. Lawyer didn’t do good job cross examination people. Innocent. Said lawyer said not to talk. He had opportunity to speak but chose not to. Letters delusional. Wonder if children are as delusional as him.
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