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  2. You said that, "on homosexual acts is bound up in the centrality of family in God (the Father's) Plan for His Children, as expressed in the inspired and revelatory document The Family: A Proclamation to the World.)" how can something be "bound up in" but is not "in the document"? That confuses me. Fornication isn't an orientation either. What is the point of prophets then if not to clarify and specify but also make things nuanced and ambiguous and we are no better off then before? if, as you say, we can read things into this then why do you have a problem with what I said? if it's
  3. Excellent question, and the simple answer is that they didn't think 'in regards to sexual orientation' because that concept hadn't yet been called into existence. If you don't explicitly or implicitly (including through narrative) teach someone that s/he is supposed to have a particular sexual orientation, it just doesn't happen. This is why Western colonisation and ongoing Western cultural dominance have had to introduce the terms 'homo-' and 'hetero-' into languages across the planet. People don't need new words to describe already-existing categories of being, but new terms can certainly be
  4. I never said the word "homosexual" is in the document. The word "fornication" is not in the document, either, so would you, therefore, say that God must approve of it or must not have anything to say about it? If so, that would be a fascinating, interesting (though perhaps not in a good way) approach to the Restored Gospel of Jesus Christ. Should we take the same approach to the Word of Wisdom ("Well, cocaine isn't mentioned specifically, so ..."?) If you don't in a world with any nuance, in which nothing is ever implied nor can anything ever be inferred, then I cannot help you. I'm sorry.
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  6. Where do you see the word homosexual in that document? I can't find it
  7. No. I would encourage the to choose to believe and keep the commandments.
  8. Nope. Spot on. No fixing needed. (I would add, for those with ears to hear and hearts to know and feel, that the position of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, as revealed by God to His Prophet, on homosexual acts is bound up in the centrality of family in God (the Father's) Plan for His Children, as expressed in the inspired and revelatory document The Family: A Proclamation to the World.)
  9. I’m not sure what you are asking with your question. And you seem to be suggesting that everything is relative. Maybe I’m not that bright, but I’m not following you.
  10. If this is the hill the Church will die on, why didn't you hang on to whatever else it is you gave up on? There are so many things that are absolutely prohibited -- they are all human inventions on the order of omnipotent paradoxes. Question: Is God so powerful that He could backtrack and play out Genesis with two men in the Garden of Eden? Answer: As powerful as He is to create a rock so big He cannot pick it up.
  11. They are sinful because they run counter to God's work, commands, and end goals. That can never be good But believing this requires one to believe the gospel. If you don't believe the gospel or the scriptures then there would be no way to define sin in the first place.
  12. That is because it is from the Bible, Ex 28 and 39.
  13. Just saw this elsewhere, I think the LDS church is full of many things from Masonry, the photo below says Holiness to the Lord on the arch and the church has that on every temple doesn't it?
  14. If the church—meaning the prophets, seers, and revelators—were to make such a change, it would be because they were doing God’s will. The prophet cannot lead the church astray, after all. A while back, I had a conversation here about the idea that “that which is wrong under one circumstance, may be, and often is, right under another.” It’s well known that what matters is when and if God commands something. It’s wrong, for example, to kill, unless you’re Nephi being commanded to kill Laban. It’s wrong to have sexual relations with a woman without your wife’s knowledge or consent, unless a
  15. So if you met someone who is choosing a homosexual lifestyle and believes in God, would you like encourage them to become atheist?
  16. If the church dwindles because it's doing God's will then so be it. That's a better outcome than going against God to keep members.
  17. You keep asking this over and over. You are a former LDS, right? You know why LDS believe what they believe. It seems odd to me that you don't "get" the answers people are giving you. I'm not LDS and I get them. Here's my attempt to answer you. LDS believe that homosexual sex is a sin because they believe that God says it's a sin. They believe this because their prophets have said that God says it's a sin. They believe their prophets because they have had spiritual and intellectual experiences that have led to and sustain that belief. You dismiss all of that by saying they just belie
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  19. For what it's worth, I'm not trying to get you banned. I don't report you. You're just not very good at hiding yourself, ha.
  20. Some of the scions of that are alive and well, some hang out on this board and have hands in many pots. Anyway, know much about what happened after Martin Luther i.e the 30 years war? People in the USA forget a lot of people fled here because of that. My understanding of Germany is the church doesn't care if someone has a civil ceremony, they draw the line at a sacramental marriage. While I have a Catholic baptism cert I didn't grow up catholic so I miss some of the finer political points. I can't help but wonder if this is one of those things Catholics here screech more about than need b
  21. Ahab got banned. So now what am I supposed to do? Say goodbye to all of you folks forever? I don't think so.
  22. Other people try to share their thoughts with me too, so in a sense I am also trying to read their minds when I try to understand what they are saying. You included. The words are like clues. Sometimes it seems that pure thoughts make it a lot easier.
  23. That is because sock puppets are not allowed. So you are basically misrepresenting your intent every time you start a new alias while agreeing to abide by board terms. If “Ahab” got suspended, you need to be patient and wait until the moderator lifts it. Trying to get around it will just delay the process and might make the moderator ban you for good.
  24. Prepare for this account to go silent too soon. The board Nemesis is out to get me and you people who keep pointing me out to him are just helping him get rid of me. I am just trying to have some fun sharing some ideas while I can.
  25. I'm curious to know how you see things then when people do not agree. Do you not see any degree of separation between people who don't agree on the rules or laws we should live by? I see an effort to teach or explain things but if after a while of that those people still do not agree on how people should live then I see one person or group distancing itself from the other. Still visiting maybe sometimes but not living together.
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