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  1. There are several heresies in the Hindu religion about Jesus Christ. One of them is the cult of Prajapati (those who see Prajapati as Christ). Jesus Christ, the Son of God, did not commit any sin and if the Prajapati of the Vedas is also sinless, it will be a positive evidence that the Prajapati is Christ. So, the advocates of the heresy tried their level best to make the Prajapati sinless. They took some portions from the vedas or Upanishads and gave Prajapati a clean sheet. However, the truth is just opposite. For example, see Itareya Brahmana:3.2.9. Here the Prajapati is seen taking his own daughter as his wife, and on seeing this, the other gods objected. They tried to prevent Prajapati from committing such a sin, but he did not agree with them. So the gods got angry and tried to kill Prajapati, but they could not. So, they got united together and created Rudra. He succeeded in killing Prajapati. Now the question that arises is this: Can this Prajapati, who was killed by the gods for committing incest with his own daughter, be considered as the type of Jesus Christ? Has his death got anything to do with our Lord's sacrifice? How can anybody stoop so low as to propagate that such a god is Jesus Christ, the Son of God? However, the devil, the father of lies and the classic deceiver, comes to the rescue of his people. He made them say that there are so many Prajapaties in the Vedas and the one who committed incest with his daughter is not the Purusha Prajapati, the creator of the universe. But this argument also does not hold water since the next few verses of the same Brahmana states clearly that this is Purusha Prajapati who created man. The Brahmana says that the woman could not hold the semen of the Prajapati since the quantity was great. So it fell down and became a lake. From this, man came into existence. Is it not the real Prajapati? In addition to it, the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad provides us with further details of the sin of Prajapati. See: 1. 4. 2 - 4. When Prajapati was alone, he got afraid. He divided his body into two. One half became a man and the other half a woman. From their union, human beings came into existence. When woman disliked Prajapati, she ran away and took the form of a cow. The Prajapati became an ox and united with her. The cows were created in this way. The woman later took the forms of every kind of animal, bird, etc and the Prajapati also changed accordingly. All the living things came into existence in this way. Is this Prajapati and Jesus one and the same? No.
  2. And with a man who has many wives and many concubines, his increase will be infinitely more.
  3. I figured Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob having many wives and concubines, like D&C says, would enable them to have greater eternal increase than someone with only one wife.
  4. I would regard "much seed" as being equivalent to "innumerable posterity". What additional reasons can you identify for practicing plural marriage aside from greater eternal increase?
  5. “Elias brings back ‘the gospel of Abraham,’ the great Abrahamic covenant whereby the faithful receive promises of eternal increase, promises that through celestial marriage their eternal posterity shall be as numerous as the sands upon the seashore or as the stars in heaven for multitude. Elias gives the promise—received of old by Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob—that in modern men and in their seed all generations shall be blessed. And we are now offering the blessings of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob to all who will receive them” (“The Keys of the Kingdom,” Ensign, May 1983, 22).
  6. Regarding this 2024 General Conference article: https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/april-2024-general-conference-president-nelson-teachings Following the Savior’s visit, Old Testament prophets Moses, Elias and Elijah appeared in turn to grant the keys of the gathering of Israel, the gospel of Abraham, and the sealing power upon Joseph Smith (see Doctrine and Covenants 110:11-16). I came across a brief mention of it in section 5 of the Doctrine and Covenants and Church History Seminary Teacher Manual https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/doctrine-and-covenants-and-church-history-seminary-teacher-manual-2014/section-5/lesson-118-doctrine-and-covenants-110?lang=eng#figure1_p9 The dispensation of the gospel of Abraham, committed to Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery by Elias, restored the promises the Lord made with Abraham. To help students understand the dispensation of the gospel of Abraham restored by Elias, invite a student to read the following explanation by Elder Bruce R. McConkie of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles: Elder Bruce R. McConkie “Elias brings back ‘the gospel of Abraham,’ the great Abrahamic covenant whereby the faithful receive promises of eternal increase, promises that through celestial marriage their eternal posterity shall be as numerous as the sands upon the seashore or as the stars in heaven for multitude. Elias gives the promise—received of old by Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob—that in modern men and in their seed all generations shall be blessed. And we are now offering the blessings of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob to all who will receive them” (“The Keys of the Kingdom,” Ensign, May 1983, 22). Does the establishment of having many wives and many concubines in the Old Testament and among some Christians, as outlined in Doctrine and Covenants 132, derive from the requirement and blessings for "much seed"? Is this comparable to the purported method by which Heavenly Father is said to have had billions and billions of spirit children across countless populated earths or does one exalted wife and one exalted husband have supernatural power to have this tremendous amount of offspring?
  7. I meant for Jesus. Is marriage required for his exaltation and for that of the Holy Spirit?
  8. Is getting married and having children a present or future goal for Jesus?
  9. What did you mean by appending (temporary) to the Nazarite vow? Is that an indication you believe Christ had physical offspring in the past or will do so in the future or both? Some single people are not able to receive that strictness of marriage so they choose to remain single. They are a blessing too. That is why Christ did not condemn the eunuchs who chose to remain celibate for the kingdom of heaven's sake. Same way Paul said it would be better for single men or women or widows to remain single as he was. What about all those Christians whom Joseph Smith said were told by God to have many wives and concubines?
  10. I don't believe Christians are under an obligation to have a surrogate mother or father. Getting married and having children is not God's plan for everyone in the New Testament. There are blessings and advantages to remaining single.
  11. Here are a few scenarios for the animals: they were ignorant and gained knowledge when Adam and Eve ate the fruit. they were impotent and gained the ability when Adam and Eve ate. they were both ignorant and impotent and gained knowledge and ability when Adam and Eve ate. they already had the ability and knowledge before Adam and Eve ate.
  12. Concubinage for New Testament Christians as well?
  13. What about the animals, who were given the same command?
  14. Do you mean like "Be fruitful, and or multiply, and or replenish the earth ... "?
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