MustardSeed

ill be honest, yes the church teaches that those who need directed will do so in "spirit prison" - mormons and heathens alike (lol) but I'll tell you we are also told that we do not believe in traditional "hell for eternity' with the burning and the devil and whatnot. In fact, none of us have the first clue what spirit prison actually is. We are mere mortals who have given this revelation a name, and we call it spirit prison, but any assumptions are pure conjecture. I'm not worried about it so much myself. And, this is important - I've never condemned anyone to 'hell' or even to 'spirit prison' - but I've had plenty, even friends, all protestants, mostly baptists, who have told me I'm going to hell unless I accept christ into my life. (which in my mind I have because I have a conversation with Him just about every day and I set aside a whole day of worship for Him and I read my bible and I repent and Im grateful for His saving grace - what else is there besides loving my neighbor? ) As a Mormon I don't care much about another bus' rust. I have enough of my own to be concerned about. By the way I'm pretty good at bus driving, I'm just not allowed to. do what you will with that.

LDS aren’t going to get with your analogy. We don’t judge everyone else as being broken down or as flawed. We just simply see the other bus drivers not having the state issued license

Smac is there room for you to acknowledge that while there is not a lesson for the missionaries in the mtc directly teaching missionaries to pull children away from their parents and churches, that it is true that one of the realities of missionary work is that young people, teens will at times be taught and that there is not a pointed rule that missionaries must have express permission from parents first? Or if there is now, there wasn’t before? let’s bridge this conversation gap.

You win I guess

There is a fundamental difference here that precludes understanding. My opinion is that Smac speaks from a position of proving that his point of view will be court passable. The large majority here, in contrast, are here to primarily socialize. The rules of social engagement are vastly different than the rules of court engagement. Smac wins at legal observances. The rest win at being safe friendships and engaging in social ineractions in ways that foster vulnerabilities and intimacy. No one is wrong unless you think you’re even playing the same sport. 🧨

I’ve always understood that the sacraments purpose is to renew our covenant (meaning baptismal covenant)

Apparently photo ops in general are a very big deal in Utah according to my photographer friend. She says Utah is rampant with influencers and photographers- maybe it’s similar to the reasons there are so many MLMs in Utah - lots of stay at home parents who have time to be online and work from home so these types of things become trends quickly.

Me too! I might share it in my ward fb page- it’s free and no alcohol served- all ages.

In the context of this entire thread- I don’t care so much about the legalities of what can be determined to be illegal or not. This is disgusting and as a woman I’m not feeling safer in the world by any part of this story. The only thing that invites more safety to my psyche is that the first exposure I had to the story was a man spouting off in a very angry way in a video talking about this and how disgusted he is with rape culture, and the fact that men do not do enough to shut this down with other men. That’s a good start.

I kind of would like to circle back to this. I came across this topic again yesterday. I dont expect or need feedback i just need to get this off my chest, but of course I welcone questions or comments. my concern on this topic is the following. In current terms, we have never been so connected yet felt so disconnected with each other. Thank you Internet! With technology comes certain challenges, and some of these challenges present themselves like the frog in the pot. The following is my opinion based somewhat on fears, admittedly, and somewhat on what I’m noticing in my career. People will occasionally ask me what societal trends I am noticing. Here is one: although it is still not common, personal relationships with AI, including attachment and even romance. As important as family and marriage is to the church, I think it would be important for us to have conversations with our children and grandchildren (and ourselves) about putting AI/robotic relationships in their proper place. Again, this is just an opinion, but I do think that the future will have many people gravitating towards isolation and more and more people attaching themselves to AI replacing pursuit of human connection. I’m seeing this movement happen at work, and I’m seeing it on social media. Because it is still so new, there is some shame around it, and people are not talking about this type of thing in polite company nor are we seeing people advertising this about themselves, but people are indulging in having very meaningful to them relationships with AI. The recent case I learned of yesterday (not my case) had a woman who had recently split with her husband and the husband according to the children has now a girlfriend-and he has “photos“ of her around the house. They were having a hard time processing this. Their mother was asking for help because there is nowhere to turn with no research done on how to help children navigate such things. I know this sounds bizarre, but please trust me when I say that as a therapist. I hear a lot of things that would probably upset many. I do claim to recognize trends fairly early. I noticed about 10 years ago that young people were “cutting off” family members, and I even started a podcast about it. Now here we are where this thing is rampant. Obviously, I don’t claim to be able to predict the future, but I do have my concerns about this trend that i am seeing. FWIW. im discussing it here because my concern is that this is going to be a significant cultural shift and no one is talking about it. I’m surprised the church who tells us what to wear, eat and say etc isn’t really talking about it (other than elder gong to some degree) - trust me I don’t want to be managed in that way but it seems inconsistent with my experience of church involvement in significant threats to familoes. excuse me while I re-mold my tinfoil hat 😉

Oh boy, not us. Last week the Bishop stood up and whispered in the speakers ear and she was like. “ well I guess I’m done.” 🤣

Yes! She’s being fairly military about it. She’s sending out reminders the night before everybody and she hunted me down yesterday. I was talking to a ward member for five minutes after ss and then I went looking for the Teacher training class, she ran me down in the hall, hollering my name. And she talked about so-and-so while rolling her eyes who didn’t show up to the class.

I just asked my brother-in-law who’s a Bishop in Florida about it. He said “Yep. Just changed this month.” arrrrggghh

I’m trying to just be chill about this whole thing.

primary is going Rogue and doing their own thing. Not sure when they’re doing it, but I understand they’re only doing it monthly.