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  1. Because that's what the scriptures and prophets have revealed. At least to those who accept scripture and prophets. After a few discussions with those who believe the opposing view I don't fully understand their approach.
  2. This "nothing between me and God" idea continues to gain popularity. The problem is that there is ample gospel evidence that it's being taken too far. Certainly there is nothing preventing us from praying to our Father and having prayers answered or blessings given. But there will always be someone between us and God. And then probably a chain of people too.
  3. It can be both an allegorical temple play AND a representation of the historical events. There's definitely a bit of both in the creation accounts. The allegory is probably why they differ a bit on some details.
  4. Which has doctrinal repercussions in my opinion. It completely defeats one purpose of the endowment. 🤷
  5. What we call Genesis/Moses is actually a record of Moses receiving his endowment on the Mount. Not him recording oral history/myth as many assume. Likewise the Abraham creation account.
  6. The first endowments were in Joseph Smith's office and storehouse above the Red Brick Store.
  7. Baptism and sacrament can be performed anywhere if there is a need and it's authorized by those presiding. Baptisms for the dead were performed in the Mississippi until a font was made available. Endowments were performed on mountain tops, in endowment houses, in offices, etc before temples were finished. Prayer Circles and Mother's Blessings (anointings) were performed in chapels for decades. Marriage sealings were frequently performed outside of temples when none were available. The work continues and the Lord accepts ordinances outside of chapels and temples if there is not a reasonable alternative. Better than no ordinance work at all.
  8. And President Woodruff loved coffee, as did J. Golden Kimball.
  9. Nothing after the cola backpedal a few years ago.
  10. The substances themselves are not iniquitous. Wine isn't evil, Christ drank wine. Pork isn't evil/unclean. Eating a steak in July with a side of lobster violates the old law and the WoW. Neither are iniquitous items.
  11. Member: "The Word of Wisdom is beneficial and based in scripture. You shouldn't have a problem with it as a rule." Critic: "Our issue is with the way you only follow select parts and ignore others, add new rules, and science/health fact have no bearing on it." How many times do we have to do this dance? WoW is an obedience test, not a purification policy.
  12. I joked with my wife once about a house for sale we knew had a troubled family past. I said we'd have to dedicate it at least three times if we bought it. The existence of good and evil spirits are absolutely part of our religion.
  13. Go right ahead. I have no doubt that there are evil spirits, Christ certainly said there were. That's not just LDS, but basic Christianity. "The very day we entered that house it was filled with evil spirits, who sought to destroy us. We felt their power day after day. They did not particularly injure us at that time, but we knew they were with us. The incident that I am going to refer to now occurred after Brother Kimball had returned to Manchester. Brother George A. Smith and myself were left there. We sat up one night till about 11 o'clock, talking about the Gospel of Christ, and then went to bed. The room in which we slept was small; there was about three and a half feet between our cots. Those spirits were gathered together in that room and sought to destroy us. They fell upon us with the determination to take our lives. The distress, the suffering and the horror that rested upon me I never experienced neither before nor since. While in this condition a spirit said to me, "Pray to the Lord." Well, a man in that kind of warfare, when he is choking almost to death, is in a peculiar position to pray. Nevertheless I went to praying with all the power I had. I knew we would die unless God opened some door for our deliverance, because we were being choked to death, and I prayed the Lord, in the name of Jesus Christ, to preserve our lives. While I was praying, the door opened and three messengers entered, and the room was filled with light equal to the blazing light of the sun at mid-day. Those messengers were all dressed in the robes of immortal beings. Who they were I know not. They laid hands upon me and my companion, and rebuked those evil powers, and we were saved. From that hour to this day, not only our lives were saved, but those powers were rebuked by the angels of God so that no Elder since has been tormented with them in London." Collected Discourses, Vol.5, Wilford Woodruff, October 5, 1896 "I had been sleeping on the back of the bed. I immediately arose, slipped off at the foot of the bed, and passed around to where he [Elder Russell] was. Elder Hyde threw his feet out, and sat up in the bed, and we laid hands on him, I being mouth, and prayed that the Lord would have mercy on him, and rebuke the devil. While thus engaged, I was struck with great force by some invisible power, and fell senseless on the floor. The first thing I recollected was being supported by Elders Hyde and Richards who were praying for me, Elder Richards having followed Russell up to my room. Elders Hyde and Richards then assisted me to get on the bed, but my agony was so great I could not endure it, and I arose, bowed my knees and prayed. "I then arose and sat up on the bed, when a vision was opened to our minds, and we could distinctly see the evil spirits, who foamed and gnashed their teeth at us. We gazed upon them about an hour and a half (by Willard's watch). We were not looking towards the window, but towards the wall. Space appeared before us, and we saw the devils coming in legions, with their leaders, who came within a few feet of us. They came towards us like armies rushing to battle. They appeared to be men of full stature, possessing every form and feature of men in the flesh, who were angry and desperate; and I shall never forget the vindictive malignity depicted on their countenances as they looked me in the eye; and any attempt to paint the scene which then presented itself or portray their malice and enmity, would be vain. I perspired exceedingly, my clothes becoming as wet as if I had been taken out of the river. I felt excessive pain, and was in the greatest distress for some time. I cannot even look back on the scene without feelings of horror; yet by it I learned the power of the adversary, his enmity against the servants of God, and got some understanding of the invisible world. We distinctly heard these spirits talk and express their wrath and hellish designs against us. However, the Lord delivered us from them, and blessed us exceedingly that day." Life of Heber C. Kimball," pp. 131-132.
  14. No, but they may make you cynical or negative about things of God...oh wait
  15. Well you can hardly be surprised that religious people disagree then. And what we accept as reality will always influence our approach to situations. I happen to be very convinced that there are many spirits, good and evil, at work on a daily basis in our lives. And what is described as "dysphoria" when there is no medically identifiable mental cause (neurobiology etc) is as likely to be the influence of a false or delusive spirit as anything else.
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