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HappyJackWagon

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  1. Our started out with a portion of the ward attending each week (between 50-100). Masks were optional. Then we had a ward member pass from Covid. Masks are now required but everyone is invited to attend if they are comfortable. In pre-covid days that would have been weekly attendance in the 200-230 range. It's much less now. Many choose not to attend. Some choose not to attend because it still doesn't seem safe with covid rampaging through the countryside. Some don't attend because they are required to wear masks. Some don't attend because the abbreviated meeting schedule hardly makes
  2. I was released as bishop 5 years ago. Time flies While there are definitely instructions that a bishop should NOT add to or omit questions there is also direction sometimes from area authorities/Stake Presidents given in training or PPI's to ask more "probing" questions in certain situations. The situations I recall being told I should be more probing were - individuals receiving their own endowment or sealing - mission worthiness interviews -Young adults and youth in general (to ensure they understood the questions) -More generally, I was taught to ask follow up q
  3. I wonder if it would be viewed differently for people who don't attend for different reasons. - Don't attend because high risk -Seems very acceptable. Statement about faithfulness applies -Don't attend because not comfortable due to virus concerns (for whatever reason) - Seems acceptable. Statement would seem to apply -Don't attend because they aren't comfortable wearing a mask (or just don't want to. - Seems unacceptable - Don't attend because just prefer shorter at-home church doing sacrament without having to get dressed up and drive to the church- Seems unacceptable.
  4. "If you don't stop doing that and start behaving better I'm going to send you out of this room!" via an agonizing death. Honestly, in addition to death, I also don't support banishment as a consequence anything except the most egregious violations. My father tried following God's banishment example a couple of times So the message from God is "Follow my example, except when I tell you not to". Really?
  5. Could just as easily be because masks had not been required. A lot of elderly and higher risk individuals have been staying home, and wisely so. Maybe it's just my area that is quirky, but our bishop still requires every household to get permission every single week if they are going to do the sacrament at home. Very weird...and a cumbersome process, especially for a bishop who struggles to respond to phone calls, emails, and texts
  6. Such a great song! Interesting question. I've seen/heard/been taught many times about the God V Adam and Eve parenting model. It's essentially a model of clear communication and then tough love. But if God sets the example of tough love and hard, painful consequences, and then someone like King George follows that example, is King George wrong? After all, the rebellious people of the revolution are only heroes because they won, and history declared their cause righteous, otherwise the rebellion and history could have likened them to Satan and his minions rebelling against God. Pers
  7. There are always movies and art pushing boundaries and I have no doubt there will be more. Blue Lagoon is the first example that comes to my mind. It's an old movie with very young actors/actresses. Exploitation? Yeah, probably. I only mention this to say that this isn't a new thing and I imagine some artists/directors etc are able to walk the line better than others. One might suggest that children should never be exploited and of course I would agree. But what does "exploited" mean? The meaning changes with the culture. I would imagine 1/2 the stuff on Nickelodian would be considered exploi
  8. It will be interesting to watch how some people choose to re-engage with church regularly. I've seen some fairly significant changes in some of our local families regarding Sabbath activities, church attendance (now that it's possible), and even some non-garment clothing options. These choices don't bother me at all but I've seen a general laxness creep in with many so I'm curious to see if people really bounce back to the way it was or if some of that laxness will stick. I agree. For the families I've spoken to it's a political statement. Personally, I'm much more comfortable tha
  9. Yes- We've had 1 death in our ward. It is suspected that the individual contracted the virus at church. With the new church guidance about required masking at church, it makes me feel a little more comfortable but it's interesting to witness the backlash against the policy. We have numerous families refusing to attend if they are required to wear a mask. I'm struggling to understand the rigid refusal of people to wear masks. These are some pretty staunch, leadership kind of people refusing to attend. I guess church attendance isn't really that important to them
  10. That makes sense. Thanks for explaining it. Still, it seems like some of the anti-netflixers are taking things a bit far in their claims and calls for bans and boycotts, but to each their own I suppose. I don't know how this movie would compare but the description reminds me of Little Miss Sunshine where the little girl participates in beauty pageants and does some suggestive/inappropriate dances. It's done for comedic purposes but I don't recall any outrage about that. Perhaps it's the amount or level of dancing that's the issue.
  11. I haven't seen the movie you're talking about but I've seen some crazy talk on social media calling for boycotts of Netflix because this film is considered p0rn. I don't know about that and I have no intention of watching but it seems like an overreach. I read a couple of reviews about it because I was curious and from what I can tell the movie is a social commentary about how society exploits children. I have no dog in this fight but I'm curious if the social media uproar is a severe overreaction and basically missing the point. Then again, maybe it's right. I don't know. But I'm not can
  12. Such a strange time we live in Music is such an important part of worship for me. Not being able to sing or even really hear some good musical numbers reduces the value of attending for me personally. Is your area requiring masks or were you just being responsible on your own? Masks are "encouraged" in my area but virtually no one wears one. Last time I was there I heard someone hacking somewhere in the background. I peaked when it wouldn't be too obvious. The guy wasn't wearing a mask. I really don't think I'll be going back for a while.
  13. It gets curiouser and curiouser I wonder what the logic is behind banning zoom meetings when no one is able to meet in person and then allowing them to do zoom once people can meet in person. So weird.
  14. I thought zoom/online meetings were verboten.
  15. Are you guys doing fast and testimony every 1st Sunday? Based on the 1-2 times people attend each month that would be a LOT of F&T meeting. I hope the poor people attending 1st sundays in my ward don't get their only Sacrament meeting every month as a F&T meeting. Or maybe we'll rotate F&T meetings to different weeks so everyone gets one every once in a while. With only a quarter of the ward attending at any given time, that could make for a rather quiet/slow meeting unless EVERYONE participated My guess is my bishopric will reserve F&T meetings for the weeks they f
  16. I suppose a lot of us are kind of in a hybrid home church / regular church system right now. In my area anyway we have Sacrament meeting once per month since the ward is broken into 4 different groups that make social distancing easier. So a small subset of the ward meets weekly but each individual/family is only scheduled to attend once per month. But I was a bit surprised that there was no church yesterday for anyone since it was a 5th Sunday. Did everyone take the 5th sunday off or was it just my area? Seems a little strange though I imagine it was done to keep the same groups meeting
  17. I agree. I ask in part because I've noticed in the past how some members seem to dismiss certain types of prayers. The idea of offering a rote prayer, for example, may get a chuckle from some as being ineffective, unless of course they are talking about prayers/ordinances in which we've been taught to be very specific- baptism, sacrament etc. I've even noticed some members scoff at the idea of prayer groups, or even the response "I'll pray for you" when the individual doesn't really even know the needs of the person being prayed for, as if such a prayer would be ineffectual without the sp
  18. So more like praying for a person or specific need in General Conference because more people are involved and joining in faith? I find the hierarchy of prayers to be a strange thing. Where does a child's prayer fall into the hierarchy? Child's prayer- God listens and is pleased with the child. God's will be done. Mother's prayer- God listens and is pleased but God's will be done. Father's blessing- God listens and is pleased but God's will be done Priesthood blessing (essentially a prayer with anointed oil)- God listens and is pleased but God's will be done
  19. So would you view a prayer in sacrament meeting for a specific person or purpose to be equally beneficial from the community building perspective?
  20. That's pretty good! I'm curious about this. Is there any reason to think that the method of placing the names on the alter really makes a difference? For that matter, how is a person whose name is placed on a prayer roll and prayed over in a temple blessed any more than a person who is prayed over by a parent at the dinner table? The concept of the prayer roll doesn't make a ton of sense to me. It seems less personal. Is it a super powered prayer because it's in the temple? Is a temple prayer more powerful than a prayer accompanied by fasting, or a blessing, or a standard n
  21. Personally, I think the question about "true" is a faulty question in general. A lot depends on which definition of "true" one is using. Is the church good? Is it better than another church, or the best church? Or is it the only good church? Is it true/good only in comparison with other churches? But we know in the church that the claim of being the "one true and living" church means that it is the only church that can lead to exaltation, even if other churches are good. So if it's the only church leading to exaltation, it's really the only responsible path to be on. That is the claim m
  22. I'm afraid that the "one true church" narrative translates quite literally into a "one true path" approach to life. If one isn't on the one true path then they must be on the wrong path, even if there is good on that path. Like you say, if one knows the mind and will of God perfectly, then there is no problem, but when their understanding isn't perfect, or they rely on others to teach them from their imperfect understandings, then suddenly you have a "one true path" that isn't perfect and therefore may not be as true as another path.
  23. The diversity of ideas and questions expressed on this site would make most/many ward members very uncomfortable. Your question was innocuous but you can see how others felt threatened by it. I've experienced the same thing many times, even when my questions were carefully and diplomatically phrased. Eventually, I grew so weary of the backlash for what I considered safe/honest questions that I stopped caring about phrasing them so diplomatically. The backlash continued so eventually I just disengaged. That's my experience as well, even to the point that he didn't return calls, texts, o
  24. From other thread- This is an interesting question to think about. When one is baptized into the LDS church the person raises his right arm to the square and says "Having been commissioned of Jesus Christ I baptize you in the name of the father, and of the son , and of the holy ghost. Amen" IMO- that means the person has accepted Christ through baptism. Associated with the baptism is the confirmation. Confirmation is associated with baptism but it's a separate ordinance. During the confirmation the priesthood holder confirming will say "I confirm you a member of the
  25. This is an interesting question to think about. When one is baptized into the LDS church the person raises his right arm to the square and says "Having been commissioned of Jesus Christ I baptize you in the name of the father, and of the son , and of the holy ghost. Amen" IMO- that means the person has accepted Christ through baptism. Associated with the baptism is the confirmation. Confirmation is associated with baptism but it's a separate ordinance. During the confirmation the priesthood holder confirming will say "I confirm you a member of the church of Jesus Christ of Latte
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