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Bernard Gui

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  1. That is a lesson we have learned the hard way. Our mottos now are “I didn’t cause it, I can’t control it, and I can’t cure it” and “They have a Savior and it isn’t me.”
  2. Setting such hard and fast rules would restrict the possibility of the influence of the Spirit, IMO.
  3. I have had a lot of conversations over these 73 years. Not many folks I know have told me what goes on in their confidential bishop interviews. A few times people have brought them up in Addiction Recovery meetings, but those are few and strictly confidential. We don't discuss that with anyone outside the meetings. I guess I just don't run with the right (or wrong) crowds. As far as the bishop is concerned, he cannot divulge such things.
  4. It is like walking a tightrope. Anyone aspiring to be a bishop is (can I say it?) muy loco. Wouldn't it be nice if we really were our brothers' and sisters' keepers and held their eternal welfare paramount in our thoughts and actions? Especially when we deal with repentance, confession, reconciliation, and forgiveness. Regarding disclosure of past indiscretions (which is part of recovery), our Addiction Recovery Program manuals say the following. Timing and the direction of the Spirit are crucial. I think these might have application here. And Elder Holland's wonderful talk in 2015...
  5. An interesting talk by a more recent General Authority regarding the importance of the sacrament includes these thoughts:
  6. I haven't talked with many folks who have had children go in to confess sins. I can only think of once, and that was in a confidential setting of which I was a participant. That seems to me an odd conversation and a breach of confidence.
  7. Indeed. It is not something handed out willy-nilly, as seems to be implied here. There have been a few times when I have refrained from partaking of my own volition because I knew I was not sincere in my repentance. Other than in Church discipline matters I don't recall imposing it on others as a bishop, but perhaps as a preliminary step before the need for a council became apparent? Maybe? Can't remember.
  8. It is quite possible that a temporary restriction is the best course for a person who is in the repentance process from serious sin. Maybe not. It depends on the manifestation of the Spirit. This is not necessarily something new. I'm reminded of Elder Groberg's talk on the sacrament in 1989. Apropos to this discussion, he gave this example as an appropriate use of sacrament restrictions: Setting hard and fast rules and procedures removes the influence of the Spirit from the decision of the moment. Sometimes such restrictions might be appropriate if they are dictated by the Spirit. As I said before, I have never understood that they are to be the first line of action.
  9. That is how I was instructed back in 1980 as a bishop. I don't recall in any bishopric training before or since that it is the first restriction given to a repentant person. I certainly did not approach all penitent members that way. I believe I was following the words of the prophet then. Others may have had different experiences.
  10. We ignore explicit instructions from the Savior himself? Not a General Authority's opinion or a tradition, but a commandment from the Lord? How does that work?
  11. Asked and answered many times. Ahhhh...I finally see where you are going. Should have picked up on that much earlier. That thread remains open and I report new information regularly. Incomplete immersion requires a repetition of the baptism, but if witnesses inadvertently miss a toe or a strand of hair not being submerged, the baptism stands. That has no bearing on the requirement for complete immersion. BTW, that is not a requirement found in the scriptures. It’s something we believe is important, though. So we do it. While I do not consider the sacrament passing order protocol to be at the same level as baptismal immersion protocol, in both ordinances the wording of the prayers must be exact for the ordinance to be valid. Hence the repetition of the prayer if it is not spoken verbatim. If a mistaken word perchance slips by unnoticed neither ordinance is invalidated. Of course passing to the organist first does not negate the ordinance; however, it seems to be important enough that a prophet established it, it is in the handbook, it is a matter of training and observation for the Priesthood, and it is corrected by authorities on the stand if observed without disrupting the ordinance. So, we do our best to follow. Both our viewpoints have been made abundantly clear. I think we are basically in agreement.
  12. I have served in a number of bishoprics. It’s my good fortune never to have had that happen.
  13. We’ll find out when we share the table with Him and all the Saints at his coming. We follow the Nephite pattern? “And when the disciples had come with bread and wine, he took of the bread and brake and blessed it; and he gave unto the disciples and commanded that they should eat.”
  14. Not really. In every ward in which I have been a member the deacons have been properly instructed. In our current ward the first deacon goes directly to the presiding authority while the others are being handed their trays. The (very) occasional slip up doesn’t negate the general instruction. I can’t imagine a responsible leader making such a scene during the sacrament, but I can imagine a kindly word of instruction to the lad who didn’t follow the procedure in private after the meeting, or even a general review of procedures in the quorum meeting.
  15. I assume you are not acting as the Secret Sacrament Police for the bishop?
  16. Did you know President McKay? Do you know what kind of person he was? How do you know what his motivations were? Do you have evidence that what you say was his motivation?
  17. It’s hard to imagine that the authorities on the stand would let it get that far, but on the extremely remote chance of that happening, of course the ordinance stands. Same for a baptism if the witnesses miss a strand of hair that wasn’t completely submerged. In the meantime, we do our best to follow what the prophet has asked. Even if it is just a “tradition.”
  18. Who looks around to see if someone is or is not taking the sacrament?
  19. At first I felt uncomfortable as a bishop receiving it first, but that is only because I am probably the most humble person you will ever meet. In fact, I'm so humble that realizing the depth of my humility fills me with pride. That said, on reflection I eventually realized it was not me that was being honored, but the office I held. That was the original intent expressed by President McKay, and I think it remains so today. In that light, it is humbling to be given the sacrament first.
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