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Hard imo not to conclude you were praising the outcome or that it was free enterprise that led to the collapse in your view given you called the free market magical and didn’t mention anything else in your first post directly above. Thanks for the clarification That the Soviets allowed this underground economy to continue was to help take some of the pressure off their failing system. It was NOT to give credit to free enterprise for what happened with the collapse of the Soviet system (except it might have delayed the inevitable). I would suggest you re-read our exchanges to get that "big picture" to straiten out the confusion in your mind.

Of course. This world is a fallen planet. A Pandora Box that released all the bad effects for the natural man to grapple with. I did NOT in any way contend that it was free enterprise that made USSR collapse. It fell only because its marxist theories were NOT sustainable and they went utterly bankrupt. Was this friend bringing pressure and discomfort to vested interests in Moscow? This has more to do with Russian culture and their inability to establish and strengthen democracy. Sadly there was too much apathy. Not the fault of free enterprise. So it was the tragedy of Kleptocracy. Again, NOT the fault of free enterprise. The vagaries of human nature. The US government was hoping to replicate the success of helping Japan and South Korea become powerful and vibrant democracies. Too bad there was insufficient transmission of free enterprise throughout the soviet culture and system. Again you are putting words into my mouth. I did NOT praise "what went down." Just simply commented on the Russian people's difficulty in overcoming the gangsterism inherent in the Soviet system. Yes, today's enthusiasts of socialism and communism fervently claim that they will NOT repeat the mistakes of previous communist tyrannies. I hate to break it to you - - - the ideals of communism is inherently EVIL. All totalitarian systems inevitably contain within it the seeds of its own destruction.

Only in accordance with the "Dictatorship of the Proletariat." Marx famously preached: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs." According to wikipedia: But you are NOT free to choose in a totalitarian society.

It definitely is NOT the same. Free enterprise is much more preferable as it allows people to choose their career paths and their livelihoods and their management of time and disposition of private property. You are mindlessly demonizing free enterprise simply because criminals and cronies abuse the system if they can get away with it or engage in corrupt practices between lobbyists and government officials. In communism and totalitarian systems, you become a slave to the state. You are forced into certain jobs. If you act improperly or say the wrong things then you are subjected to bloody purges. Read up on "social credit scores" imposed on the people of Red China. They are forced to have their smart phones with them at all times so the government app will spy on them and control what things they can purchase and where they can travel.

What a cynical take on the ideals of free enterprise. I would expect you to understand that it is cheaters, criminals, "gadianton robbers" and cronies that would subvert the free flow of goods and services for their own selfish ends. It is human nature that frequently tries to take advantage. Sometimes it is lobbyists that conspire with legislators to pass unfair laws to constrict legitimate businesses so their clients can charge higher prices. This is called cronyism which has nothing to do with free enterprise.

At the fall of the USSR, high level members of the KGB (including Putin) managed to take control of various industries. This is called a kleptocracy. The people had a very difficult time getting their own small businesses going due to the oppressive diktats of the upper levels of crony bureaucrats, all racketeers. Free enterprise? Pretty much constrained.

And: 3) He and his new partner secretly went against the manifesto for stopping the practice.

What limiting principles did this apostle disregard? Name: Richard R. Lyman Born: November 23, 1870 Died: December 31, 1963 (aged 93) Positions: Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, called by Joseph F. Smith, April 7, 1918 – November 12, 1943 Son of Francis M. Lyman and grandson of Amasa M. Lyman. In 1925, Lyman had begun what he called a polygamous relationship without the knowledge of his first wife. Lyman was excommunicated on November 12, 1943. The Quorum of the Twelve provided the newspapers with a one-sentence announcement, stating that the ground for excommunication was violation of the law of chastity.

In the glorious days of the USSR, the commissars were forced to "wink" at the underground economy in order to make up for deficiencies of the communist five-year plans. That made it possible for incentives (read free-market) to work its magic! There is NO substitute for free choice when it comes to willing buyers and willing sellers.

My understanding is that Adam and Eve came to Earth as spirit beings from the First Estate where their physical bodies were organized Terrestrially, not Celestially, from the dust of the earth. And the veil of forgetfulness was placed over their minds. According to Temple teachings, Elohim formally asked Jehovah: "Is man found on the earth?" And the answer was: "No." Thus there were not even precursors of humanoids.

Interesting. How far were they kept from the audience, the performance and the parking lot? Did the church set up extra loudspeakers next to the protestors (so that they will get the "full body" sound massage)?

Is it possible for you to locate the homesteads of various mobbers and persecutors?

Regarding the demolition of temples, KUTV (Utah channel) seems to think the Provo temple will be completely replaced. Pictures of the Rock Canyon temple appears to be radically different. @Calm do you know about this?

ha ha . . . You are right . . . my mind is playing tricks on me . . . from google: The Jordan River Utah Temple in South Jordan, Utah was rededicated by President Henry B. Eyring on May 20, 2018, after extensive renovations that began in February 2016. The temple had closed on February 15, 2016, and remained closed until the latter part of 2017. The general floor plan remained the same, but interior walls were removed to remodel the celestial room, bride's room, initiatory areas, and the baptistry.

Is it possible that the existing LV temple will eventually be removed? It is interesting to me that the very large Jordan River temple in SLC was completely demolished and rebuilt. As has happened with a number of other temples.

This is a wonderful reference. As well as Elder Bednar's masterful discourse on the Parable of the Wedding Feast (Oct 2022). This morning I really appreciated reading Sister J. Anette Dennis' talk from last conference titled "Put Ye On the Lord Jesus Christ". She says that having the garment on is putting Jesus on yourself, one of the ways of giving a sign to God that we reverence Him. Below is the quote that I highlighted:

It was much more extensive than that. There are many books on the culture. Here are a few: Radical Son: A Generational Oddysey by David Horowitz An Enemy Hath Done This by Ezra T. Benson Rules for Radicals: A Practical Primer for Realistic Radicals by Saul D. Alinsky

I greatly appreciate your posts and agree with much of what you say. I grew up in downtown Salt Lake City in 1950's and 60's. I probably could have been in prison but the church pull me from the brink. It is very shocking for me to see how "politically correct" people are in urban areas. Last time I was in SLC for a family reunion a couple years ago, I stayed in an air-bnb in the neighborhood of 9th East and 13th South. Going on walks in the area I saw so many rainbow flags on the porches. I read KSL.COM and see the leftist bias and presuppositions similar to the New York Times. The warnings given by Ezra Taft Benson is being fulfilled. I am also shocked at the behavior of Mitt Romney and Harry Reid. The LORD bless your heart, mind and soul!

The "outrage" culture is very pernicious in their many and varied methods. For example, the national organization for women (NOW) advocated for decades for "equality" for women, for delaying marriage and children in order to pursue a high-faluting career, and so on. But the people staffing and leading this organization were actually dedicated marxists whose real underlying hidden objectives were to dismantle the basic unit of the family. Now we read of more and more women expressing deep regret for missing out on the joys of rearing a family. Another example is the equal rights amendment (ERA) put forth in 1923 and pursued until 1972 when it was passed by both houses of Congress. It failed to get the required 3/4 of the states. The Church fought hard against it because it would have had a severe and disruptive effect on society. Many of those things appear to be enlightening on the surface but if we delve deeper into them, we see more and more cause for concern of the cause and effect that lead to greater chaos. Earlier in this thread I referred to the harmful contraints imposed on boys. Here are a few of the books on this topic: The War Against Boys: How Misguided Policies Are Harming Our Young Men by Christina Hoff Sommers The Boy Crisis by Warren Farrell PhD, John Gray PhD, et al. Boys Should Be Boys: 7 Secrets to Raising Healthy Sons by Meg Meeker

Are you aware that in many public schools that there is extremely low tolerance for boys to be their natural selves? If boys are too boisterous, energetic, "disruptive" or what have you, then they are forcibly constrained in various ways. Sometimes they like to give them medication to turn them into compliant drones or zombies. Have you not heard the "outrage" culture demonizing white males for several decades? How goverment welfare policies are structured in such a way that men cannot be part of the household if women were to obtain recieve benefits. Thus effectively driving men away from being with their children and having important influence for them. There are likely hundreds of insidious methods like these for re-programming society.

There are many fine examples of courage and endurance throughout the scriptures that include both men and women. Think of Esther, Sariah wife of Lehi, Lamoni with his wife the queen, and Abish the servant. Alma 19: 16. And it came to pass that they did call on the name of the Lord, in their might, even until they had all fallen to the earth, save it were one of the Lamanitish women, whose name was Abish, she having been converted unto the Lord for many years, on account of a remarkable vision of her father— 17. Thus, having been converted to the Lord, and never having made it known, therefore, when she saw that all the servants of Lamoni had fallen to the earth, and also her mistress, the queen, and the king, and Ammon lay prostrate upon the earth, she knew that it was the power of God; and supposing that this opportunity, by making known unto the people what had happened among them, that by beholding this scene it would cause them to believe in the power of God, therefore she ran forth from house to house, making it known unto the people.

What a wierd "patriarchal blessing". Probably based on mingling new age stuff with Ervil LeBaron abominations. Alex Cox was very easily manipulated by Chad and Lori.

The secret to avoiding burnouts is to delegate, delegate, delegate . . . It seems to me from a lot of my readings of Utah pioneer days that bishops served for a very long duration? Like 30 years? Don't know how common that was.

Hence the parable of the wheat and the tares. The most bitter are obviously subjected to discipline and excommunication. The various shades of grey are allowed to mingle and participate. At least until the times of greater and greater testing.

Nice! Definitely a lot easier to read.