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About Meadowchik

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  1. Gross. Helfer is undergoing a trauma and has navigated it in large part quite well. Hopefully she is taking some time off work as needed while she addresses her own needs. But yes in normal circumstances a trained professional is more qualified to help struggling people than laymen.
  2. Still disagreeing with with you, specifically with your narrow take of the term theocracy. Against the backdrop of earnest Mormon political thought, aspiration, and organisation, it is a valid characterisation. Of course Mormonism shapes people's politics and of course the church gets political and has done so unapologetically up until the present time. And that is no surprise, given its history. To tell people they're doing the gospel wrong by conflating religion and politics, neglects the context.
  3. I did not say it was unique to Mormonism to mix politics with religion. I'll go ahead and disagree agree with you Robert. 1) "The political theory that critics saw as dangerously “un-American” was called “theodemocracy” by Mormons. Proclaiming their allegiance to God in all human affairs while also maintaining a sincere faith in American republicanism, early Mormons, under the direction of founding prophet Joseph Smith, sought to create a sociopolitical order that combined the virtues of government by God and by the people. Rather than seeing theocracy and democracy as being inher
  4. In any case, Mormonism has a long history of mixing politics and religion. So, right or not, earnest students of both can understandably conflate the two.
  5. Why not? You quoted the use of the term in your OP and referred to that article as what raised your questions on the topic.
  6. Right, and you can likewise read mine as "making illegal." Now it's clear to us both I hope
  7. Why are you addressing me with this? I did not conflate the two: mrmarklin 365 Posted 13 hours ago On 4/18/2021 at 11:55 AM, Meadowchik said: There are many creation stories from many cultures. So creationism is not per se Christian. Or even necessarily religious. It’s an alternative that could be presented as an alternative to evolution. Not that it’s any more believable. https://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/73682-option-of-teaching-creationism-in-science-classes-is-establishing-a-state-religion/?do=findComment&am
  8. Creation myths are not equivalent to creation science, which is a specific movement that began in the sixties. But to answer your question, beliefs about creation based on science alone are just science. Those that are based on beliefs are not science.
  9. Criminalisation is the act of making something illegal. That is the definition I am and was using in my post.
  10. I think that ultimately people seek safety, however they perceive it. So they will make decisions about staying or leaving based on how they perceive the safety of the church compared to the possible alternatives.
  11. To be fair, Mormonism has a history of conflating politics with religion. It's not really a mystery why, it was a theocracy in its very recent past.
  12. I grew up in Mesquite. My parents are in Arlington now, and we left DFW in 2008. It was an unexpected move just after we bought half a cow of meat! So we enjoyed passing out roasts to the ward members who helped.
  13. ((We were in Ft Worth before we moved abroad. Maybe you helped us pack up our house ))
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