The Nehor

This is a common apologetic but it is a made up excuse with no data behind it. It makes sense intuitively but it doesn’t explain why dead animals are in places they would have lived on this Earth. Did God make the planet out of preexisting materials and carefully locate all the old fossils where they would be if the earth was older? Why? The flood reasoning is even more silly and creates more problems than it solves. Marcus R. Ross only graduated because he ignored his creationist beliefs in his phd thesis. He knows (or at least knew) how to do real science. He just chooses not to.

Why in the world would anyone care to cover this up? And this isn’t a cover up. It is that gun incidents are so common in the US that it has to be pretty big to make the news.

And a tattoo? Are we allowed to post such depraved images here?

DEI? What? The propaganda you are consuming is rotting your brain.

It therefore follows that Satan is co-equal with God or there is not opposition in all things. Also that God must be tempted by devils as well or He would face no opposition. Lehi is reasoning here but it isn’t very sound reasoning.

Reading propaganda and bigoted articles isn’t studying. If you were studying actual data you would post more of it.

You could just do basic due diligence before posting the article so you don’t look like a fool for posting trash. When you post the article and unabashedly agree with it and use it as a weapon against a group it is hard to believe you when you backpedal and suggest that you are just looking for a critique.

Yes, you are truly a gay ally. No, you just spend your free time collecting idiotic news articles that say that transgender people are all depraved predators and post them here. You are just an innocent bystander that is not responsible for the misinformation he spreads. Oh look, more of it. Thanks for proving my point. Again, transgender people are more likely to be the victims of crime than the perpetrators. On a per capita and absolute basis the people grooming and being predators to children are overwhelmingly cishet men. Yet somehow you embrace this moral panic because punching up is hard and punching down is easy. Actually fighting the predation of children means fighting entrenched interests and powerful people in society. Instead you listen to those same powerful people telling you that the queers are the real problem. You’re a useful idiot to the real villains and you aren’t doing anything virtuous, helpful, or praiseworthy by reposting their facile propaganda. You voted for a man who openly bragged about perving on women in their changing rooms and you want to think you are on the side of the angels?

You just assume that is what transgender people are doing. In the general sense, yes. If you append that transgender people are the predators they are more likely to punch you in the face and they would be morally right to do so. Wishful thinking. No, you have not. You have produced panic pieces written by propagandists with only a vague understanding of the actual data. Which is why we have to stop all those Jews who are eating the flesh and drinking the blood of Christian babies in their satanic and depraved “religious” festivals. You have to establish that the depravity is real before acting. You just imagine it is there and will believe any idiot who comes along telling you what you want to hear. Fact-checking is beneath you so why bother? You’d fit in well with the people killing the Jews back then. They had ‘credible data’ supporting their pogroms just like you do. Same song, new verse. And people fall for it every time.

I am curious whether smac would choose to throw condemnation at current polyamorous relationships entered into with mutual consent with no deception involved. This would seem to have a more ethically sound basis than what Joseph and the early saints did.

LMAO You and reality aren’t on a speaking basis are you? Social contagion is a pseudoscientific hypothesis with no credible supporting evidence. Also using bigoted slurs like “tranny” makes you sound like a 15 year old screaming in an online video game. Grow the hell up. CFR, please post the current radical chic scores for all marginalized groups to at least the fourth decimal point please. And of course you have to throw in the token anti-semitism. I mean billionaires are a scourge on society but the fact that the alt-right always picks on the Jewish one while defending and lauding others is very odd and Naziish.

And yet actually learning about them would require too much effort so you are just going to be concerned and object a lot.

You can but it makes you look ridiculous when you do it when the therapy guidelines are saying no such thing.

Maybe you could try fact checking “allegations” rather than just finding them troubling? Love the scare wording in the use of “allegations” as if this is all somehow criminal and that this stupid opinion piece goes over the top with it whinging about how irreversible this all is and yada yada yada. When will these transphobes actually present an evidential case instead of scare pieces filled with scary language? What kind of an idiot uncritically accepts this tripe?

The demonic hordes? What sad lives people must have when a marginalized minority that is already being persecuted become the depraved villains in the melodrama taking place in the minds of mediocre and pathetic men. How barren their lives must be that they have to cast this small group as demons because they are so insecure and impotent that this is the only way they can feel they are contributing to the world. Listening to paid propagandists telling them who they should hate and thinking that hate alone is a virtue. Imagining that their persecution of people with little power is heroic spiritual combat is so juvenile and puerile. It works every single time though. If there is a devil he is having a fun time with those who deceive themselves.

No, it is not different. It is the clarion cry of the leader of every sex cult. Cheating on a spouse or partner for ‘exalted’ ideals makes it worse not better. It makes God out to be a monster certainly. Saying God did it but He wouldn’t do it now is a really lousy apologetic. What is so special about our day that God wouldn’t throw someone into a similar situation? Nothing except a sincere desire from believers not wanting it to happen. Just like the feeling that many of the monogamists in the early Church found the whole thing repugnant. Nope. It was permitted in scripture to be practiced with sex slaves. God wasn’t holding it back only for the righteous. Modern revelation made it compulsory on all the Saints. It took a lot of reinterpretation to try to rewrite things so that it was only temporary. I wouldn’t call that tightly controlled. Yet you only offer this kind of leniency to prophets. Joseph got it wrong much more than what your thought leaders pretended a bunch of therapists were saying but you were treating them as moral degenerates. With Joseph you will bend yourself into a pretzel to make it seem not that bad. Maybe just extend the grace you are willing to give Joseph to everyone?

Assuming he is real Satan believes what he wants to believe in the same way any ideological demagogue does. His words are pleasing to many because they like being lied to. The devil doesn’t trick anyone who hasn’t already lied to themselves. Many who think they worship a good God really worship a devil. They are just picking the biggest bully. They just happen to think it is God.

And you have chosen to do this by punching down on the already marginalized and throw in the usual repackaged antisemitic tropes about how they are doing horrible things to children and the like with no evidence backing it up. Interesting strategy to take in trying to imitate Jesus. It is a bold strategy Cotton. Let’s see if it pays off for’em.

God breaks his own commandments so if I go to hell for it at least God will be there with me.

You think many of my friends are horrible sinners and therefore should be stripped of legal protections and bodily autonomy ‘for their own good’ because a very tortured interpretation of your religious texts hints that maybe it might be wrong and also you find their existence icky and disturbing. Also you want people to think you are a good person in spite of doing this. I believe you should stop demonizing my friends when they are already being marginalized and persecuted and I think that punching down like you do is morally monstrous. Yep, probably no way to harmonize or compromise on those positions.

Pointing out that the serpent in the Garden of Eden wasn’t presented as some kind of supernatural entity deeply opposed to God. It was just a talking serpent. It wasn’t until sometime in the 3rd to 5th centuries CE that we see the idea of Satan being involved in the Eden narrative showing up. In the earliest texts they say Satan sent the serpent. Later somehow the serpent just became Satan. So no one thought you needed a powerful supernatural entity opposed to God in order for the story of Eden to work in Judaism and it came much later into Christianity.

What part of this characterization do you disagree with? By all objective moral standards of both his time and ours Joseph Smith cheated on Emma. He committed adultery. Saying that he had to hide his infidelity from his wife for pragmatic reasons…….right, that is what cheating people do. That is not an exceptional response. The cheater usually hides what they did to prevent social scorn, loss of social status, and to protect the feelings and reputations of all involved. Trying to make Joseph Smith into an exception just shows how similar the situation was to garden variety cheating. The argument that God commanded it might be true but that is just God commanding Joseph to lie and deceive his wife. Still not a good look. None of this is telling therapists that cheating is somehow cool and good and moral. Joseph Smith was saying that it was cool and good and moral. A lot of special pleading going on here about how Joseph’s infidelity is special. And not all cheating in a regular marriage is motivated purely by lust. Again, you are trying to make Joseph’s infidelity into something exceptional. ”The only moral infidelity is my infidelity. I didn’t do it out of lust. I genuinely love my affair partner so therefore it is okay” Reducing all “bad” cheating to just pure lust and “good” cheating to higher goals is a typical Christian defense when they want to divide the world between good and bad people. When good people do bad things it doesn’t count as much and we need to forgive them or overlook their evils because they are on the right side. When bad people do bad things it is because they are inherently bad and they should be mercilessly punished. If you are curious this is one of the primary reasons that Christianity is becoming less and less respected. That is not what the guidelines do as has been repeatedly shown but you are holding to this mischaracterization because it demonizes people you want to think the worst of. You read propaganda. It worked on you because it was designed for people like you. You don’t want to let objective reality get in the way because it flatters your view of the world. Not what the guidelines said and your special pleading for Joseph is pretty pathetic. ”I had to cheat on you or God would destroy me!” Oh please.

Touch grass. The primary indicator is that they are at least vaguely in harmony with objective reality. THE HORROR!!!!!!

He had 33 children. He also insisted that a long-running adulterous affair by one of his sons occurred in an “unguarded moment”. I have some concerns about his hierarchy of sins.

Yes, this is clearly a “both sides” problem. /s