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  1. One example: Elder Ballard was asked a sincere question about Joseph Smith's polygamy, and he reacted annoyed (like President Biden's "C'mon, man!"). His sole answer was Look, Hyrum Smith is my ancestor. Do you think I would be standing here if he wasn't a prophet? A lot of this is misinformation (he didn't deny Joseph Smith polygamy, but it was clear that he wasn't equipped to discuss it. He didn't appear to know enough about it to understand the particulars of the concern, and to be able to discuss details). Elder Perry with his briefcase at the "Swedish Rescue" (which only ended up co
  2. I talk to a lot of adults, too. But, yes, teaching school makes gospel conversations (not pushed on people) like shooting fish in a barrel. They happen naturally, with no effort or planning.
  3. Is there a big decline in membership among Freemasons? I'm sensing the closing of lodges and overall lack of interest that doesn't track well over time? I'd love to know that I'm misinformed or inaccurate about this! Thanks!
  4. They didn't have many normal interactions even pre-Covid. It's not that they "forget" how to interact with people --- they don't talk to very many non-members in "normal life" situations. Even when being introduced to people briefly at stake conference, or going on a pre-selected ministering visit with the stake president, or having a convert or investigator fireside as part of stake conference, these aren't normal, everyday life interactions. They are about as controlled and limited as it gets. And they are what they do, weekend in and weekend out --- for decades, in many cases. I've be
  5. I've had both (where they know I am, and where they don't). Most common is, "Mr. ____, are you a Mormon?" The answer to that is "Yes." Other conversation points follow, but it's confusing and odd to venture out into the variations of "Yes, but the real name is . . ." or "I'm a member of ____, but we sometimes are called ____." I've shared this before, but I've seen students say, "There's no such thing as a Mormon," and their friends say, "Don't you go to that church next door 3rd hour?" and they repeat, robot-like, "There are no Mormons." It's weird (not saying you do this). My
  6. She can do all of those things and would have been fine as far as church discipline goes, I think. Her adversarial and apostate attacks (videos, blog posts, etc.) crossed that line, in my view. Even granting that she was hurt and not at her best, I think her performance on Sunday makes the Church look good, even if the initial scheduling and logistics did not. I would think that even in her "professional field," celebrating explicit pornography as healthy and normal is a controversial position and not accepted unanimously. And, I don't think many are rising to defend her "hig
  7. I think this is probably behind his long-held strong feelings on this point (cf. his 1990 talk that was just as forceful). The "Gates of Hell" thing is unique to Mandarin Chinese, and I think his study of it and using it over the decades is part of his strong feelings on this.
  8. No disrespect or shade at you two, or anyone else, but it seems to me that the people who have the least struggle always using the full name are people who don't have conversations about the Church very often with non-members (and retirement or living in Layton and other things tend to reduce the opportunities people have to interact with non-members). For people who do interact frequently with non-members, insisting on the full name is a barrier to clarity (non-confusion) and effective communication. I use the full name as much as I believe is possible, but I don't hesitate to use Mormon if I
  9. My answer is #1 or #2, depending on the situation. Most often, I am asked if I'm a Mormon, and the answer to that is, "Yes, I am." The situation usually isn't conducive to using the precious little time solely talking about the change in emphasis, that our official name is ____, but sometimes people call us by the nickname ____, etc. It's best for communication to simply answer their question in an understandable, non-weird way, and use what time is realistically there to answer questions or steer the conversation somewhere fruitful.
  10. Win, lose, or draw, I think her behavior while going into the DC and in the hours-long stream of consciousness rantings after she posted online removed all doubt that she is an apostate and has been and is attacking the Church and Church leaders.
  11. Yes, that's it. "Written recording" is an interesting way to say "notes." Our notes (via the clerk, and ourselves) were close to a transcript, once reconstituted. They were only available once ordered through the Church. I always did the writing of the final report myself, not the clerk.
  12. And also so they don't appear on the internet and things like that. The Church moved to a more streamlined online form about five years ago or so. It really reduced the amount of space available for explanation and necessitated brevity, which is too bad, in my experience. It was very helpful to get detailed minutes from previous councils from the stake president (via Salt Lake). One was like a who's who from BYU (the stake presidency and high council had people like Richard L. Anderson and Eugene England on it), and it read like a Supreme Court transcript. The give and take and detail wa
  13. I agree that Salt Lake provided guidance for this. No, it's not standard operating procedure at 99%+ of them, but these celebrity candlelight vigil ones are their own animal. I have no personal experience with them, but enough knowledge of them to know what I would do if I ever had to deal with one. I feel bad for the SP's who aren't really aware of the lay of the land with them.
  14. I think she meant first time with a celebrity, candlelight vigil type of council. If you're not familiar with the phenomenon, it would be like getting hit with a 2x4 between the eyes to have that descend upon you.
  15. My son visa-waited in Milton-Freewater, OR for six weeks and loved it. It's night-and-day different from the population centers in the western part of the state, though (a ward in a town of 8,000 people). He's still in communication with people there, and we're going to go visit when he gets home. I'll have to have my son find out how that ward has done things during all of this. It's a very conservative area.
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