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Scott Lloyd

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  1. It’s not unprecedented. I went on my mission in 1974, a year or two before the Provo MTC was constructed. The forerunner to the MTC was the LTM, or Language Training Mission. It was split between three locations: BYU in Provo, Ricks College (now BYU-Idaho) in Rexburg and the Church College of Hawaii (now BYU-Hawaii). The Scandinavian, Finland and Netherlands mission LTMs were in Rexburg, so as a Sweden-bound missionary, I went there. We were transported by bus from the Mission Home in Salt Lake to Rexburg and ultimately from Rexburg to the Salt Lake airport. At one point during our LTM stint, we went by bus to do a session at the Idaho Falls Temple. We occupied, as I recall, one floor of the dorms on campus and shared the cafeteria with the students living there.
  2. You’re entitled to your opinion, of course. But if the choice is between shutting down the temples again, thus hindering the Lord’s work, and putting up with a minor inconvenience, it’s no contest for me. I’ll go with the latter.
  3. My temple, Draper, is probably the closest in proximity to Mount Timpanogos, less than 20 minutes away. Up to the date of closure, we workers routinely wore masks, and the patrons seemed to take their cue from us without being asked. I never encountered anyone who refused.
  4. No. We were just responding to the most recent First Presidency direction.
  5. This was already being done in the temple where I serve (it has been closed since August for remodeling). Templegoers by and large will follow direction from Church leaders without complaint or murmuring. It’s in their nature.
  6. Ah! I feel vindicated now for my lack of awareness. I commented and linked the video on Facebook, so between the two of us, we are giving it considerable exposure.
  7. Different undertakings for somewhat different purposes. I’m sure her efforts (and those of perhaps thousands like her) were highly useful — even critical — for keeping the temples functioning full time. They did this by providing a supply of names to augment those being submitted by Church members who had done family history research. On the other hand, the digitization of microfilmed records and the indexing of those records have over time made it far easier and more convenient for Church members to search out records of their own kindred dead, to the point where the name extraction programs of yesteryear have now been rendered unnecessary because the names coming from Church members are sufficient to keep the temples busy.
  8. I regret having missed your earlier posting but am glad now, having found the video on my own, to have your insights about it, especially with your experiencing firsthand both military and MTC language training experience at approximately the same stage in life and thus being in a unique position to compare the two.
  9. I took my thread title from the title of video I linked to. My intent was largely to draw attention to the video. Did you view it? It is not solely about the aptitude of young Latter-day Saint missionaries. I’d say it is more about the effectiveness of the training and experiences they undergo and the results that are achieved. And while it is hardly surprising that some would be more successful than others, the creator of the video makes a solid case that broadly speaking, the Church’s techniques are consistently successful, as they have proven to be over many years. Moreover, there is something of an apples-to-oranges nature in your comparison. Those who receive linguistic training in the military are highly focused from the get-go. Missionaries, on the other hand, are plucked from everyday life when they are scarcely out of high school, not necessarily intending or even knowing whether they will be acquiring a new language and, within a matter of weeks, are on the street of a strange land not only conversing with but trying to teach people in an unfamiliar language and convert them to a new faith. The whole thing is so commonplace to us that I think we have largely lost sight of how remarkable it all really is. I found it enlightening to view it through the eyes of an informed outsider, one who apparently specializes in language training and who obviously has made a diligent and thorough investigation into the language-learning experience of typical Latter-day Saint missionaries.
  10. Perceptions can be and very often are false. It is neither honorable nor respectable to adhere to a false perception. A lot of us have had to change our behavior to one degree or another with respect to how we identify the Church. Even the most faithful among us occasionally need a course correction, and it is one role of the prophet of God, acting under inspiration, to give such a correction from time to time. They who are wise and who love the Lord will heed such correction. I reject this as false. President Nelson, as much as anyone I can think of, grasps and appreciates the greatness and nobility of the prophet Mormon, who preserved the Nephite records and abridged them into the volume that has been brought forth for us in the latter-day dispensation and that bears his name. It defies reason to think that one with such a grasp and appreciation would hate the name of such a man. And it's a perfectly safe assumption that Mormon himself would not approve of his own name being used to supplant the name of the Savior in identifying the Church of Jesus Christ, as it was Mormon who preserved the recorded words of the resurrected Christ to the Nephites: (3 Nephi 27:8-10) See what I wrote above about there being no honor or respectability in adherence to a false perception. Though we invite all to come unto Christ and receive His ordinances and covenants through His Church, the Church of Jesus Christ is not a social club.
  11. You ought to consider getting involved with it along with her as your circumstances allow. You don’t need a special calling to do it. A participant doesn’t even have to be a member of the Church. A good many are not.
  12. “Big Yellow Taxi”? I thought that was recorded by Joni Mitchell and, later, The Neighborhood.
  13. Our son begins his missionary service next Monday with an at-home MTC experience preparatory to his assignment. So I have set for myself a goal to learn Spanish over the next two years, perhaps to be able to converse with him in that language when he returns. This goal has taken me to the Duolingo app on my iPhone, which, in turn, took me to YouTube, where I ran across this superb account of the Church’s language-training techniques for its missionaries, this (presumably) from the perspective of an informed and friendly non-member of the Church. I very much like his intelligent, informative and accurate approach. It takes me back to my days as a missionary serving in Sweden and makes me marvel that I had the fortitude to get through it — or that any young man or woman in late-teenage years does, for that matter. Check it out.
  14. I hope they allowed the Church to microfilm and/or digitize those records, thus making them accessible to everybody.
  15. I don’t doubt this is the case elsewhere as well. Family history is an extremely popular hobby around the world. I was told some years ago that family history is the second-most frequent pursuit on the internet. The most frequent, alas, is pornography.
  16. Extraction and indexing are not the same thing. The Name Extraction Program (later called the Family Record Extraction Program) was implemented years ago because back then, there were not enough names produced from Church members’ own family history research alone to keep the temples busy. Extraction workers were called in the wards and stakes to “extract” names directly from the microfilmed records to fill in the gap. But within the last decade or so, such extraction efforts have been no longer necessary, because there are now enough names provided from Church members’ own family history efforts to keep the temples well supplied. And there are many more temples in the world today than there were back in the days when extraction projects were flourishing! That’s another “great story” that ought to be highlighted, Smac. Of course this is not only due to the Church members’ diligence in doing family history, but to the amazing growth in technology, the digitization of microfilmed records and the work of thousands of volunteers around the world to index those digitized records, making family history research so much easier and more convenient to do (see my post above, the second one in this thread).
  17. I learned years ago that by far, the majority of the patrons at a typical Church family history center are not Church members.
  18. I fear not enough of Church members who are otherwise faithful and devoted really comprehend and appreciate the amazing strides that have been made in a relatively short time with regard to family history and temple work. What it means, of course, is that it is now easier and more convenient than we would have thought possible not long ago to take names of ancestors and relatives from our own lines to the temple, there to help provide them with the saving ordinances of the gospel. A few weeks ago, my newly endowed son and I went to the temple to receive initiatory ordinances vicariously for some relatives on our own lines. This is the first time I have been able to do that for my own people. I wish I could say this was a result of my own diligent and painstaking research, but literally all it required was for me to go to my FamilySearch account and click on a button. I printed out the resulting name cards and took them to the temple, all ready for the ordinances. For most of my life, I have thought I probably would never be able to do work for my own relatives. The research process involving hours of tedious gazing at microfilms always seemed so daunting and inaccessible to me. And what meager efforts I’ve made in the past have only turned up names of people for whom ordinance work had already been performed, so I was stuck in the proverbial my-work-has-already-been-done mindset. My mind has been opened with the recent strides. The names I took to the temple were from peripheral lines (cousins) but that’s quite all right according to the Church’s guidelines. I hope in the near future to contribute my efforts to the indexing of records, thus adding to the pool that makes it convenient for others to find their ancestors needing temple work as I did mine.
  19. Much of this thread’s content is dumb to argue over. I’m out.
  20. Stop with the combative insults. I won’t entertain further conversation with you in this vein. Back off.
  21. I didn’t say I see a pressing need. I speculated that some might have felt, for whatever reason, that there was a need to go online with a women’s category even though a men’s category might not have been altogether ready. Why are YOU inclined to ascribe to me what I did not say or intent I don’t have?
  22. I’m not sure this is verifiable unless there’s a screen capture somewhere. But that’s beside the point. You said an inexperienced user would not know the adult section exists. I say such a user is apt to note it if it’s on the first screen he/she sees when opening the app.
  23. I see it as more of a squeaky-wheel-gets-the-grease possibility.
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