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3 hours ago, smac97 said:

Okay.

I will concede that drag shows exist on a gradient, and that some are not overtly sexually provocative/suggestive.  But there sure seem to be plenty which are.

Thanks,

-Smac

My observation is also that drag queen story-time for kids morphed into performances for kids, so I think we can expect a continued morphing into more engaging expressions of drag art and culture, and along with that more sexually provocative/suggestive content exposed to children, just as they have in other genres.

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4 hours ago, smac97 said:

Okay.

I will concede that drag shows exist on a gradient, and that some are not overtly sexually provocative/suggestive.  But there sure seem to be plenty which are.

Thanks,

-Smac

In other news studies show that comedians do different performances when in front of families than they do in nightclubs. More on this story as it develops. 🙄

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8 hours ago, teddyaware said:

Does the following testimony from the Apostle Paul help your mind to more finely tune what is  unacceptable, damning behavior in the eyes of God? Or is this just another one of those dismissible quotes from a supposed spiritually unenlightened knuckle dragger? And this in spite of the fact that that he personally encountered Christ several times and was even transported to the highest heaven where he saw and heard things so sacred and spiritually profound that he was forbidden to communicate them to any man?

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? BE NOT DECEIVED: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.                
 
(1 Corinthians 6)

You may want to do a deep dive into the various meanings of the word translated as effeminate. It is as vague as a lot of stuff in ancient languages. The Deuteronomic prohibition against crossdressing was probably aimed at pagan religious practices where women would wear armor and men would wear feminine clothing.

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What is somewhat humorous to me, the issue is an EASY fix.

Gendering woven strands of plant fiber or petrol based fibers, is silly for a secular society.  If we stopped putting arbitrary and capricious labels of gender on inconsequential things, like toys, colors, clothing, chromosomes, we could probably take “shock and awe” out of one human wearing make up and another human not wearing makeup; or one human wearing a “dress” and another human wearing pants.

 

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1 hour ago, Duncan said:

FAIR put out this 

https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/blog/2022/09/01/what-you-didnt-hear-about-the-lgbt-pamphlet-at-byu#more-33734

this lady blames journalists more than anything else, it seems she is okay with the event but has a thing about the reporting of it.

“It shouldn’t have to be said, but: no student who promotes and attends, let alone organizes, a drag show should continue to enjoy tithing-subsidized attendance at a church institution.”

The writer of that piece really jumps through a lot of hypothetical hoops to get to “they are trying to brainwash students into gender transitioning”..

 

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10 hours ago, Duncan said:

FAIR put out this 

https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/blog/2022/09/01/what-you-didnt-hear-about-the-lgbt-pamphlet-at-byu#more-33734

this lady blames journalists more than anything else, it seems she is okay with the event but has a thing about the reporting of it.

She is not okay with the event at all as far as I can tell. I will ask her for clarification if you think I need to after this quote:

Every incoming BYU student was nearly invited (or, if the reporting is correct, some were in fact invited before the administration intervened) to a drag show? A ghastly caricature of womanhood, a reduction of the sacred to a profane mockery, a sexualized depersonalization of half of Heavenly Father’s children–some BYU students were hosting this and thought it proper to invite the entire student body?….The photos and video I saw from last year’s drag show were fairly tame compared to other drag examples I’ve seen, though “tame” is a ridiculous term to apply to what is, again, a devilish profanity against womanhood.” 

She also did a deep dive into all the resources provided and found a number were offering social and medical transitioning services. Given how that could get you booted out of BYU (there appears to be iirc aid for transferring actually) and in trouble in the Church, it makes even more sense that BYU pulled the advert. It is very surprising it was approved at all imo, my guess is someone didn’t research it and it wasn’t explained except as a general help resource. 

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15 hours ago, The Nehor said:

I would call you a Karen for comparing crossdressing to murder.

I didn’t compare cross dressing to murder. I was making an analogy between a dragshow for kids ( the purpose of course is to groom children to accept and corrupt themselves w evil acts) but you knew that.  

can I assume that you approve of drag shows for adults and kids?  Do you approve of grooming kids to gay / transgender life styles?

 

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10 hours ago, Duncan said:

FAIR put out this 

https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/blog/2022/09/01/what-you-didnt-hear-about-the-lgbt-pamphlet-at-byu#more-33734

this lady blames journalists more than anything else, it seems she is okay with the event but has a thing about the reporting of it.

From the article:

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Amid the art, prizes, live music, food trucks, and booths, I suppose one might honestly overlook the vivid centerpiece: a drag show. Every incoming BYU student was nearly invited (or, if the reporting is correct, some were in fact invited before the administration intervened) to a drag show? A ghastly caricature of womanhood, a reduction of the sacred to a profane mockery, a sexualized depersonalization of half of Heavenly Father’s children–some BYU students were hosting this and thought it proper to invite the entire student body?
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The photos and video I saw from last year’s drag show were fairly tame compared to other drag examples I’ve seen, though “tame” is a ridiculous term to apply to what is, again, a devilish profanity against womanhood. But this year’s drag show, as publicly advertised by the RaYnbow Collective on Instagram, and set for this very weekend, looks to be rather more…flamboyant:

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Some of the troubled souls who organized this event and designed this flier are current BYU students. Their worldview is so twisted that they think that puns on “genitalia” and “a&^l leakage” are “affirming” and edifying for their fellow students. I looked up some of these drag performers on social media, a pastime which I strenuously do NOT recommend, and they are not “family friendly,” to put it lightly. Photos and videos of pornographic dances and outfits abound. One proclaims “Mormonism is &$^%#@,” and another poses provocatively in front of a temple. We’re a very long way from anything virtuous, lovely, of good report, or praiseworthy. 

Activists are setting a trap for those trying to both be true to their faith and to sincerely love their LGBT friends and family. If “support” for the LGBT community requires normalizing drag shows, which requires abandonment of basic virtue and sanity beyond what anyone of good faith could reasonably expect, then LGBT young adults are emotionally pressured into believing their loved ones will never “support” them. This alienates LGBT students from their families and church leaders, poisons their faith in the church, and emotionally bonds them to the activists.
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I don’t want to spend my time wading through this sewer. I wish I could go back to the time when I didn’t know Jenna Tailia was about to perform in drag for an audience composed largely of BYU students.
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Isaiah prophesied of “scornful men” who say “when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves.” I don’t know the precise identity of the scriptural “overflowing scourge,” but the anti-family cult of pride and drag shows and gender “transition” sure feels like one.

From this you glean that "she is okay with the event"?

Thanks,

-Smac

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43 minutes ago, Durangout said:

So that makes it ok?

I’m saying I don’t understand the degree of outrage.  It seems strange over PG-13 level material.

I don’t think there would be quite the outrage if a PG-13 level movie was being shown in the park with advertising to BYU students. 

While I don’t approve of all pg-13 material, I don’t intend to shelter my kids from it all or shame others who participate in watching.

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43 minutes ago, pogi said:

I’m saying I don’t understand the degree of outrage.  It seems strange over PG-13 level material.

I don’t think there would be quite the outrage if a PG-13 level movie was being shown in the park with advertising to BYU students. 

While I don’t approve of all pg-13 material, I don’t intend to shelter my kids from it all or shame others who participate in watching.

I admit I've lost all patience for these outrage-driven threads. I don't even get upset by them anymore. They're just predictable they make me roll my eyes.

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23 minutes ago, jkwilliams said:

Can I just say that I'm disappointed that Fair has published that response? She makes it seem like the LGBTQ community is deviously trying to ensnare and groom LDS kids and alienate them from their parents. I don't know how else to describe this except as textbook homophobia. I'm far less concerned about icky puns from drag queens than I am about open hatred masquerading as defending religion. 

The implicit assumption in that blog post seems to be that by merely encountering such "objectionable" material, incoming Freshman will somehow be transformed into members of the LGBTQ+ community. It's as if the pamphlet has magical powers...maybe it's like Tom Riddle's diary, or something?

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19 minutes ago, ttribe said:

The implicit assumption in that blog post seems to be that by merely encountering such "objectionable" material, incoming Freshman will somehow be transformed into members of the LGBTQ+ community. It's as if the pamphlet has magical powers...maybe it's like Tom Riddle's diary, or something?

This line was my favorite:

Because parents deserve to know what’s being pushed on their children by rogue activists at BYU, because it could profoundly harm their faith”

They aren’t kindergartners…

 

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