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Congratulations. It is good to find a home where one feels one belongs.

Any comment in the case about trans men joining women’s teams?

It does seem odd to me that biological sex is so focused on as if that is the only relevant attraction in determining viability of relationships variable when there are others that are just as impactful for many, especially when it comes to marriage. I dated a guy who was an inch or two taller than I was and it just felt wrong (my dad was 6’2, Mom was 5’4). My brother married a woman who was 12 or 13 inches shorter, I love her, they make a great couple, but visually it looks mismatched to me. I don’t know why this matters to me, but I know I would be uncomfortable in a relationship where the guy was my height or shorter or I was way shorter than he was. I would also not be physically comfortable with someone whose build was more slender than my own at my healthy weight. My husband and my build and appearance are close enough that someone mistook us for siblings once when we were first married. Apparently I need to coordinate my husband as much as I do my clothes and home. I know women who were repulsed by hairy chests, others who were attracted by them. Besides shapes and textures, there’s smells and colors and sounds that affect attraction and repulsion.

No garlic?

I see this as a reasonable conclusion and my own conception is much like it. Mapping this idea onto LDS beliefs…. Even if someone believes gender is eternal (and what does that even mean when the existence of the eternal self has gone from intelligence alone to the addition of a spirit and then the addition of a mortal body, which one day will be an immortal perfect body and likely keep progressing eternally rather than become static imo since progression has been its constant state from the beginning), I don’t understand why someone would assume the mortal expression of gender is equivalent to the perfected eternal version given how messed up the mortal expressions of our physical forms can be and how limited out spiritual expressions seem to be. There are other aspects of the mind that are expressed that show significant limitations and possible damage even…extreme sociopathy for one example. One just has to look at the variety of significant mental illness to recognize mortality does not allow us perfect expression of our eternal mental being any more than it does our physical and spiritual aspects. Given this, why would anyone assume that the attribute of gender is somehow protected in mortality from such confusions? If a charitable society makes adjustments to allow those with physical challenges to more fully participate in the community, to not miss out on activities and experiences they can accomplish with such accommodations and does that same for many other mental challenges, it makes sense to me that there should be adjustments when it comes to gender as well. What those need to be is certainly open to debate, I get that, because we have limited economic resources to apply to such. A few wider parking spaces reserved nearer the activity costs little, but requiring ramps and elevators everywhere could amount to significant costs where the need isn’t that great (building codes requiring every two or more story home to include an elevator would be unreasonable since many will never have that need). Makes sense to me that no to low cost adjustments when identified are accepted as immediate relief for those in need. Allowing those with physical challenges to get on and off the plane first because it will take longer for them to get settled or to make connections rather than requiring them to wait to be the last so as to avoid risk of injury in the crowd is another simple no cost except a bit of patience requirement. Out of curiosity…Does anyone here believe handicapped parking shouldn’t be a standard part of our community accommodations because it might require a few more steps of those of us who don’t currently need that aid? Is there some reason you feel you have an inherent right to park as close to a store as possible and it should be an individual’s choice whether or not to make that charitable adjustment for someone in need? Do you perhaps believe it should always be first come first served no matter the risk to others?

What makes us human is eternal imo. Do you mean who gave him a physical form as I believe that is what Joseph meant? We assume if the Father went through mortality as the Son did…which seems logical from what Jesus himself said (John 5:19…btw, how do nonLDS Christians explain this passage?)…the Father had parents and a family life like Jesus.

I appreciate the questions and explanations.

I try to remember to refresh a page before writing a long post. That seems to help most of the time. The robot test seems to happen most when I have left the site open, but wandered off to do other things before getting back to it.

It is normal clothing, but that never stopped the comments when I was young. I wore T-shirts and jeans and everything shown occurred for me. I just still remember when the typical response when hearing of an assault was to ask what they were wearing or where they had gone (implying they should have known better). Though such a focus may be my age and grandmothers (did not grow up in Utah, though visited included one extended stay for 4 months, but I hadn’t hit puberty at that time and hadn’t yet started to get the catcalls and older men being overly friendly,, though my grandmothers were definitely commenting about what other girls and women were wearing). I would love it if I am out of date on this.

I wonder how many will gut react to this by thinking it’s her own fault because it’s obvious she wants the attention by her choice of clothing even if they don’t say it out loud?

Or that they were heavily vetted, which would be impossible without charging major money.

Amen to that. I don’t want them to repeal the Johnson amendment, but it appears it isn’t being enforced anyway.

I miss David, thanks for mentioning him and give him my love next time you connect with him. Those were good times. So are these, but those are especially tender memories because being able to connect through talking about belief was all so new to me, so different than before where no one was interested in sharing their own, just asking questions of me…and not many of those . So much new to learn and I just had to reach out to grab it. Now it takes a bit more work to dig deeper into the details. Plus moderating chats could be quite amusing.

I think I am overaware of language on this topic because there are so many accusations we are trying to hide who we really are and trying to appear more mainstream when I see it as just maturing in awareness of language and implications and likely potential inferences and becoming more precise overall in how language is used, identifying speculation and personal interpretation as such and generally trying to remove some of that at least from official publications like manuals. I think it can still come out in talks from the pulpit among general authorities and officers as those tend to be less vetted than manuals, less a group effort and more individual, so individuality bleeds through, intentional or not.

Did you watch the clip? As described, they were sitting on the stand next to each other, no mention of swaying or clapping of hands, nothing but “I’mma gonna” with a slight inflection assuming Bro. McKay was mimicking the counselor. If that makes the counselor imitating a black gospel singer (and not an African slave as suggested by Bro. McKay), that’s one of the less enthusiastic choirs I have ever seen.

So you are just going to ignore the rest of the info Nehor supplied about her, especially how she forced an investigation that apparently no one else actually wants?

For personal use that is true, but they need money to run their charity. I believe that is what Nehor was talking about.

Is it a hospital and is it still trying to save people even with its limited resources? Isn’t that what matters most in defining a hospital? The first hospitals were very basic and lacked doctors and nurses since there were no medical schools back then, just had people (often those who were called to a religious life and the hospitals were at times temples and sanctuaries) trying to care for others.

Because for the vast majority of LDS, being a Christian isn’t about what church you belong to, but if you are trying to follow Christ, see him as your Saviour. And LDS most certainly view Christ in that way.

Nothing Bro. McKay described actually requires the counselor to be “acting like he is in black church while singing a negro spiritual”. He sang the song like a lot of whites sing it in my experience, extending the “I’m” into “I’mma” (not sure how to write that). That’s the only detail provided. Personally I prefer the second ad it feels to me like it fits the rhythm better and it’s how I sing it typically. Everything labeling the counselor’s behaviour as “Black” came from Bro. McKay’s imagination since as reported his friend said nothing to him and was just singing the song, the conversation was imagined. It sounds like Bro. McKay hasn’t had much experience seeing performances or performing the song himself with a group (or in music class as a kid like I did iirc), so he’s not familiar with the different ways of pronouncing the lyrics that probably have more to do with where you first heard it than your own race.

English is a fun language. Maybe should be rewritten as “A woman is a Secretary to the Stake President”.

That’s taking clickbait too far.

The Restored Gospel views mortality as insufficient. What comes next is about filling in the gaps for all and allowing Christ and his Atonement to work on us until we are both ready for the next step and it’s ready for us (Second Coming opening up resurrection). Even for active, devout LDS members with all their temple work done this is not an easy, short term step as taught by Joseph Smith. There is much even temple endowed still need to learn. We have our ordinances done, but can’t make full use of them yet. https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-principles/chapter-47-exaltation?lang=eng Not only that, the Spirit World is not off somewhere, but in the here and now with us, surrounding us though we are mostly unaware of it. https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/1977/01/the-spirit-world-our-next-home?lang=eng Speculation: This implies to me and many other Saints that not only are Paradise, Spirit Prison, and Hell (using Hell solely for the unrepentant here as that is typical usage when discussing this topic in detail) a state of mind or being rather than specific locations, but it’s possibly true for the degrees of glory in heaven. We are all together, just some are more spiritually aware than others of their surroundings. Paradise is defined in our scriptures as a state of being, a state of peace. Spirit Prison would have has those seeking that peace, Hell is those rejecting that peace.

Jay, I applaud you for researching our faith. But you have been studying it for 6 months, correct? That’s not very long for studying religious faith of any kind, especially if you aren’t attending meetings and discussing with members how they use the language. That would be like studying Spanish from a textbook and believing one was fluent once one memorized all the vocabulary in a basic text when one had never heard it spoken. Quite a few posters here are not only life long members (for me that’s over 65 years), but we have also been deep diving it even before there was the internet and discussing it here and elsewhere online for over 2 decades. And if anyone of us like this claimed they were absolute experts in everything LDS, I would laugh in their face…not mocking, but kindly because of their delusion. The leaders who determine our official doctrine are not professional theologians trained in preaching and scripture languages so they can read and understand the original texts. We are led by lay ministers who have the same Sunday School and personal at home level of training in scripture and doctrine as the rest of us members. It makes for messiness, a bit of chaos even. Not saying they are not inspired, I believe our teachings are based in revelation, but I am speaking about using precision in speaking and writing like academics are taught to do in many fields to avoid confusion.

More fun…even Paradise gets called a spirit prison… https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/doctrines-of-the-gospel/chapter-30?lang=eng Once you feel you have got a handle of the various definitions of LDS Spirit Prison and Hell, we will move on to the multitudes that are Salvation and Damnation. Fun times!