More Cultural and Moral Decay

[Durangout]

I have no words.  I’m just horrified and sickened

https://notthebee.com/article/welp-a-utah-city-is-hosting-an-all-ages-family-friendly-back-to-school-drag-event/

 

Edited September 1, 2022 by Durangout

[jkwilliams]

4 minutes ago, Durangout said:

I have no words.  I’m just horrified and sickened

https://notthebee.com/article/welp-a-utah-city-is-hosting-an-all-ages-family-friendly-back-to-school-drag-event/

 

Then don't attend. Problem solved.

[pogi]

"Sheri Don't" 

Ha, ha

[HappyJackWagon]

15 minutes ago, Durangout said:

I have no words.  I’m just horrified and sickened

https://notthebee.com/article/welp-a-utah-city-is-hosting-an-all-ages-family-friendly-back-to-school-drag-event/

 

Then you must be very righteous. Well done!!

[MustardSeed]

28 minutes ago, Durangout said:

horrified and sickened

Seems extreme.  Why are you reacting so strongly to this? Men dressed up like women? Is this the worst society offers us? 

[jkwilliams]

7 minutes ago, MustardSeed said:

Seems extreme.  Why are you reacting so strongly to this? Men dressed up like women? Is this the worst society offers us? 

I was going to say that drag in itself doesn't seem to indicate moral or cultural decadence. I guess some people can't imagine a "family friendly" drag show. *shrug*

Edited September 1, 2022 by jkwilliams

[The Nehor]

35 minutes ago, Durangout said:

I have no words.  I’m just horrified and sickened

https://notthebee.com/article/welp-a-utah-city-is-hosting-an-all-ages-family-friendly-back-to-school-drag-event/

 

So wordless and horrified you took the time to write words and share it here!

Is this that virtue signaling thing people are always whining about?

[Durangout]

12 minutes ago, MustardSeed said:

Seems extreme.  Why are you reacting so strongly to this? Men dressed up like women? Is this the worst society offers us? 

No.  It is however still a corruption of God’s fundamental plan.  That “ former” BYU students are involved shows how low they have sunk.

[bluebell]

14 minutes ago, MustardSeed said:

Is this the worst society offers us? 

Good point.

[Durangout]

27 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

So wordless and horrified you took the time to write words and share it here!

Is this that virtue signaling thing people are always whining about?

Attack the messenger and not the evil that is on display.  Got it.  By your understanding of the term virtue signaling…if I said murder was bad you would call me a Karen, right?  I’m ok with that.

Edited September 1, 2022 by Durangout

[Durangout]

17 minutes ago, bluebell said:

Good point.

 

Because there are worse things that could be done you approve?  An analogy that comes to mind is like saying because kiddie porn is worse than adult porn, adult porn is ok.

Edited September 1, 2022 by Durangout

[Durangout]

20 minutes ago, jkwilliams said:

I was going to say that drag in itself doesn't seem to indicate moral or cultural decadence. I guess some people can't imagine a "family friendly" drag show. *shrug*

Sorry.  You are so wrong here.

[jkwilliams]

11 minutes ago, Durangout said:

Sorry.  You are so wrong here.

Brigham Morris Young, one of the founders of the Young Men’s program in the church, would disagree with you.

 

From Wikipedia:

Young performed as Pattirini in north and central Utah venues from 1885 to the 1900s. He could produce a convincing falsetto, and many in the audience did not realize that Pattirini was Young. One of his performances as Madam Pattirini was for the last birthday celebration of LDS president "Lorenzo Snow" in April 1901.

Edited September 1, 2022 by jkwilliams

[bluebell]

12 minutes ago, Durangout said:

 

I'm neutral on it.  There is no way for me to righteously judge them individually, and I've been commanded not to judge unrighteously.  And that's what I would be doing if I condemned them.

[jkwilliams]

Just now, bluebell said:

I'm neutral on it.  There is no way for me to righteously judge them individually, and I've been commanded not to judge unrighteously.  And that's what I would be doing if I condemned them.

Yeah, I’m not particularly interested in drag shows, just as superhero movies don’t do anything for me. But there’s nothing necessarily salacious or erotic about a drag show. 

[ttribe]

17 minutes ago, jkwilliams said:

Brigham Morris Young, one of the founders of the Young Men’s program in the church, would disagree with you.

 

From Wikipedia:

Young performed as Pattirini in north and central Utah venues from 1885 to the 1900s. He could produce a convincing falsetto, and many in the audience did not realize that Pattirini was Young. One of his performances as Madam Pattirini was for the last birthday celebration of LDS president "Lorenzo Snow" in April 1901.

So glad you got Madam Pattirini in the thread. As soon as I saw the first post in here, Madam Pattirini was the first thing I though of.

[jkwilliams]

1 minute ago, ttribe said:

So glad you got Madam Pattirini in the thread. As soon as I saw the first post in here, Madam Pattirini was the first thing I though of.

It's kind of funny that drag shows were not a big deal at that time, but now it's a sign of impending societal collapse.

[bluebell]

20 minutes ago, jkwilliams said:

Yeah, I’m not particularly interested in drag shows, just as superhero movies don’t do anything for me. But there’s nothing necessarily salacious or erotic about a drag show. 

The only drag shows that I've been exposed to (not many and never in person) have not been sexual at all.  It's like performance art.  The connection to BYU is just an attempt for the show to be a part of Utah counter culture. 

A lot of people get their "street cred" in Utah by defining themselves in opposition to the church.  I find that a weird way to be in the world personally because it seems like just another way to decide who you are going to be based on other people's choices, but I don't think it's a sinful lifestyle in and of itself.

Edited September 1, 2022 by bluebell

[jkwilliams]

Just now, bluebell said:

The only drag shows that I've been exposed to (not many and never in person) have not been sexual at all.  It's like performance art.  The connection to BYU is just an attempt for the show to be a part of Utah counter culture. 

Yes, a lot of people get their "street cred" in Utah by defining themselves in opposition to the church.  I find that a weird way to be in the world personally because it seems like just another way to decide who you are going to be based on other people's choices, but I don't think it's a sinful lifestyle in and of itself.

I've always thought it was funny that in Utah a lot of the "vices" use names that are parodies of things Mormon, such as Polygamy Porter beer and Five Wives vodka. It seemed like a fairly good-natured tweaking of the dominant culture and never bothered me. 

[Senator]

Never been to one, but I've heard from first-hand sources that they are quite entertaining.

[Tacenda]

44 minutes ago, Durangout said:

No.  It is however still a corruption of God’s fundamental plan.  That “ former” BYU students are involved shows how low they have sunk.

I bet it's a joke and not real.

[jkwilliams]

Just now, Tacenda said:

I bet it's a joke and not real.

It's real. Again, what is the big deal?

[blackstrap]

Just another example of men doing something women do... but with more flair ... and camp. (runs for cover !)

[CV75]

2 hours ago, Durangout said:

I have no words.  I’m just horrified and sickened

https://notthebee.com/article/welp-a-utah-city-is-hosting-an-all-ages-family-friendly-back-to-school-drag-event/

I think a couple of the gag names are antithetical to wholesome children's entertainment and indicative of the nature of the performances that must follow suit. What would Mr. Rogers say?

[Peacefully]

It was good enough for Shakespeare, lol.