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On 9/16/2022 at 9:51 AM, Duncan said:

call these people, please I beg you

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has anyone even mentioned "the worldview of David O. McKay"??????????????????? 

Hopefully the moderators will see that you insulted me before I give it back to you in kind. Your response reminds me of your ignorant retort on another thread when you suggested that the Jussie Smolett hoax was no longer on anyone’s mind and not at all similar to the Rachael Richardson incident. It’s amusing because if you do a joint search on ‘Rachel Richardson and Jussie Smolett’ you’ll get literally hundreds of hits.

Your ignorance is also on display again in the above insulting post. My point in bringing up David O. McKay is that I guarantee you there are hundreds of woke members of the church, and hundreds of woke anti-Mormons, who will confidently tell you that David O. MaKay was a “Christian Naionalist” based on his many anti-Socialist statements, his fervent testimony that the Founding Fathers were inspired of God to write the Declaration of Independence and Constitution of the United States, and his assertion it’s God’s will that the principles codified in both inspired documents are meant for the blessing of all nations and people. I assure you President McKay easily falls into the woke progressive category of a Christian Nationalist based on the things he believed and taught. What fallows is just a start, and if you want to see more evidence that the woke mob would condemn President McKay as a Christian Nationalist, I’ll be happy to oblige. And just in case you’ve forgotten, a great many woke progressives proudly describe themselves as Marxists

Communism: A Statement of the Position of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

by David O. McKay

A statement by President David O. McKay concerning the position of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints on Communism.

In order that there may be no misunderstanding by bishops, stake presidents, and others regarding members of the Church participating in nonchurch meetings to study and become informed on the Constitution of the United States, Communism, etc., I wish to make the following statements that I have been sending out from my office for some time and that have come under question by some stake authorities, bishoprics, and others.

Church members are at perfect liberty to act according to their own consciences in the matter of safeguarding our way of life. They are, of course, encouraged to honor the highest standards of the gospel and to work to preserve their own freedoms. They are free to participate in nonchurch meetings that are held to warn people of the threat of Communism or any other theory or principle that will deprive us of our free agency or individual liberties vouchsafed by the Constitution of the United States.

The Church, out of respect for the rights of all its members to have their political views and loyalties, must maintain the strictest possible neutrality. We have no intention of trying to interfere with the fullest and freest exercise of the political franchise of our members under and within our Constitution, which the Lord declared he established “by the hands of wise men whom [he] raised up unto this very purpose” (D&C 101:80) and which, as to the principles thereof, the Prophet Joseph Smith, dedicating the Kirtland Temple, prayed should be “established forever.” (D&C 109:54.) The Church does not yield any of its devotion to or convictions about safeguarding the American principles and the establishments of government under federal and state constitutions and the civil rights of men safeguarded by these.

The position of this Church on the subject of Communism has never changed. We consider it the greatest satanical threat to peace, prosperity, and the spread of God’s work among men that exists on the face of the earth.

In this connection, we are continually being asked to give our opinion concerning various patriotic groups or individuals who are fighting Communism and speaking up for freedom. Our immediate concern, however, is not with parties, groups, or persons, but with principles. We therefore commend and encourage every person and every group who is sincerely seeking to study Constitutional principles and awaken a sleeping and apathetic people to the alarming conditions that are rapidly advancing about us. We wish all of our citizens throughout the land were participating in some type of organized self-education in order that they could better appreciate what is happening and know what they can do about it.

Supporting the FBI, the police, the congressional committees investigating Communism, and various organizations that are attempting to awaken the people through educational means is a policy we warmly endorse for all our people.

The entire concept and philosophy of Communism is diametrically opposed to everything for which the Church stand’s — belief in Deity, belief in the dignity and eternal nature of man, and the application of the gospel to efforts for peace in the world. Communism is militantly atheistic and is committed to the destruction of faith wherever it may be found.

The Russian Commissar of Education wrote: “We must hate Christians and Christianity. Even the best of them must be considered our worst enemies. Christian love is an obstacle to the development of the revolution. Down with love for one’s neighbor. What we want is hate. Only then shall we conquer the universe.”

On the other hand, the gospel teaches the existence of God as our Eternal and Heavenly Father and declares: “. . . him only shalt thou serve.” Matt. 4:10.)

Communism debases the individual and makes him the enslaved tool of the state, to which he must look for sustenance and religion. Communism destroys man’s God-given free agency.

No member of this Church can be true to his faith, nor can any American be loyal to his trust, while lending aid, encouragement, or sympathy to any of these false philosophies; for if he does, they will prove snares to his feet. 

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18 minutes ago, teddyaware said:

Hopefully the moderators will see that you insulted me before I give it back to you in kind. Your response reminds me of your ignorant retort on another thread when you suggested that the Jussie Smolett hoax was no longer on anyone’s mind and not at all similar to the Rachael Richardson incident. It’s amusing because if you do a joint search on ‘Rachel Richardson and Jussie Smolett’ you’ll get literally hundreds of hits.

Your ignorance is also on display again in the above insulting post. My point in bringing up David O. McKay is that I guarantee you there are hundreds of woke members of the church, and hundreds of woke anti-Mormons, who will confidently tell you that David O. MaKay was a “Christian Naionalist” based on his many anti-Socialist statements, his fervent testimony that the Founding Fathers were inspired of God to write the Declaration of Independence and Constitution of the United States, and his assertion it’s God’s will that the principles codified in both inspired documents are meant for the blessing of all nations and people. I assure you President McKay easily falls into the woke progressive category of a Christian Nationalist based on the things he believed and taught. What fallows is just a start, and if you want to see more evidence that the woke mob would condemn President McKay as a Christian Nationalist, I’ll be happy to oblige. And just in case you’ve forgotten, a great many woke progressives proudly describe themselves as Marxists

Communism: A Statement of the Position of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

by David O. McKay

A statement by President David O. McKay concerning the position of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints on Communism.

In order that there may be no misunderstanding by bishops, stake presidents, and others regarding members of the Church participating in nonchurch meetings to study and become informed on the Constitution of the United States, Communism, etc., I wish to make the following statements that I have been sending out from my office for some time and that have come under question by some stake authorities, bishoprics, and others.

Church members are at perfect liberty to act according to their own consciences in the matter of safeguarding our way of life. They are, of course, encouraged to honor the highest standards of the gospel and to work to preserve their own freedoms. They are free to participate in nonchurch meetings that are held to warn people of the threat of Communism or any other theory or principle that will deprive us of our free agency or individual liberties vouchsafed by the Constitution of the United States.

The Church, out of respect for the rights of all its members to have their political views and loyalties, must maintain the strictest possible neutrality. We have no intention of trying to interfere with the fullest and freest exercise of the political franchise of our members under and within our Constitution, which the Lord declared he established “by the hands of wise men whom [he] raised up unto this very purpose” (D&C 101:80) and which, as to the principles thereof, the Prophet Joseph Smith, dedicating the Kirtland Temple, prayed should be “established forever.” (D&C 109:54.) The Church does not yield any of its devotion to or convictions about safeguarding the American principles and the establishments of government under federal and state constitutions and the civil rights of men safeguarded by these.

The position of this Church on the subject of Communism has never changed. We consider it the greatest satanical threat to peace, prosperity, and the spread of God’s work among men that exists on the face of the earth.

In this connection, we are continually being asked to give our opinion concerning various patriotic groups or individuals who are fighting Communism and speaking up for freedom. Our immediate concern, however, is not with parties, groups, or persons, but with principles. We therefore commend and encourage every person and every group who is sincerely seeking to study Constitutional principles and awaken a sleeping and apathetic people to the alarming conditions that are rapidly advancing about us. We wish all of our citizens throughout the land were participating in some type of organized self-education in order that they could better appreciate what is happening and know what they can do about it.

Supporting the FBI, the police, the congressional committees investigating Communism, and various organizations that are attempting to awaken the people through educational means is a policy we warmly endorse for all our people.

The entire concept and philosophy of Communism is diametrically opposed to everything for which the Church stand’s — belief in Deity, belief in the dignity and eternal nature of man, and the application of the gospel to efforts for peace in the world. Communism is militantly atheistic and is committed to the destruction of faith wherever it may be found.

The Russian Commissar of Education wrote: “We must hate Christians and Christianity. Even the best of them must be considered our worst enemies. Christian love is an obstacle to the development of the revolution. Down with love for one’s neighbor. What we want is hate. Only then shall we conquer the universe.”

On the other hand, the gospel teaches the existence of God as our Eternal and Heavenly Father and declares: “. . . him only shalt thou serve.” Matt. 4:10.)

Communism debases the individual and makes him the enslaved tool of the state, to which he must look for sustenance and religion. Communism destroys man’s God-given free agency.

No member of this Church can be true to his faith, nor can any American be loyal to his trust, while lending aid, encouragement, or sympathy to any of these false philosophies; for if he does, they will prove snares to his feet. 

So, now we are talking about David O. Mckay and Communism???????????????????. It's 2022, not 1962. Please tell me you know it's 2022. The American Psychiatry Operators are standing by teddyaware, call today-PLEASE. 

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6 minutes ago, Duncan said:

So, now we are talking about David O. Mckay and Communism???????????????????. It's 2022, not 1962. Please tell me you know it's 2022. The American Psychiatry Operators are standing by teddyaware, call today-PLEASE. 

You’re dodging the issue. Aside from the matter of Marxism, which is still a very big force for change in the world today, would the woke progressives of today condemn President MaKay as a Christian Nationalist based upon is belief that the Founding Fathers were inspired of God, and that the Declaration and Constitution were inspired by God to bless all people throughout the world with freedom? And on that note, do you believe, based on the following, that woke progressives would describe the Book of Mormon as a Christian Nationalist religious text?

8 And he had sworn in his wrath unto the brother of Jared, that whoso should possess this land of promise, from that time henceforth and forever, should aserve him, the true and only God, or they should be bswept off when the fulness of his wrath should come upon them.

9 And now, we can behold the decrees of God concerning this land, that it is a land of promise; and whatsoever nation shall possess it shall serve God, or they shall be aswept off when the fulness of his bwrath shall come upon them. And the fulness of his wrath cometh upon them when they are cripened in iniquity.

10 For behold, this is a land which is choice above all other lands; wherefore he that doth possess it shall serve God or shall be aswept off; for it is the everlasting decree of God. And it is not until the bfulness of iniquity among the children of the land, that they are cswept off.

11 And this cometh unto you, O ye aGentiles, that ye may know the decrees of God—that ye may repent, and not continue in your iniquities until the fulness come, that ye may not bring down the fulness of the bwrath of God upon you as the inhabitants of the land have hitherto done.

12 Behold, this is a choice land, and whatsoever nation shall possess it shall be afree from bondage, and from captivity, and from all other nations under heaven, if they will but bserve the God of the land, who is Jesus Christ, who hath been manifested by the things which we have written. (Ether 2)

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You’re dodging the issue. Aside from the matter of Marxism, which is still a very big force for change in the world today, would the woke progressives of today condemn President MaKay as a Christian Nationalist based upon is belief that the Founding Fathers were inspired of God, and that the Declaration and Constitution were inspired by God to bless all people throughout the world with freedom? And on that note, do you believe, based on the following, that woke progressives would describe the Book of Mormon as a Christian Nationalist religious text?

8 And he had sworn in his wrath unto the brother of Jared, that whoso should possess this land of promise, from that time henceforth and forever, should aserve him, the true and only God, or they should be bswept off when the fulness of his wrath should come upon them.

9 And now, we can behold the decrees of God concerning this land, that it is a land of promise; and whatsoever nation shall possess it shall serve God, or they shall be aswept off when the fulness of his bwrath shall come upon them. And the fulness of his wrath cometh upon them when they are cripened in iniquity.

10 For behold, this is a land which is choice above all other lands; wherefore he that doth possess it shall serve God or shall be aswept off; for it is the everlasting decree of God. And it is not until the bfulness of iniquity among the children of the land, that they are cswept off.

11 And this cometh unto you, O ye aGentiles, that ye may know the decrees of God—that ye may repent, and not continue in your iniquities until the fulness come, that ye may not bring down the fulness of the bwrath of God upon you as the inhabitants of the land have hitherto done.

12 Behold, this is a choice land, and whatsoever nation shall possess it shall be afree from bondage, and from captivity, and from all other nations under heaven, if they will but bserve the God of the land, who is Jesus Christ, who hath been manifested by the things which we have written. (Ether 2)

You don't get the issue or what i'm saying. You seem to be a follower of Korihor and totally delusional 

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2 hours ago, teddyaware said:

Hopefully the moderators will see that you insulted me before I give it back to you in kind. Your response reminds me of your ignorant retort on another thread when you suggested that the Jussie Smolett hoax was no longer on anyone’s mind and not at all similar to the Rachael Richardson incident. It’s amusing because if you do a joint search on ‘Rachel Richardson and Jussie Smolett’ you’ll get literally hundreds of hits.

Your ignorance is also on display again in the above insulting post. My point in bringing up David O. McKay is that I guarantee you there are hundreds of woke members of the church, and hundreds of woke anti-Mormons, who will confidently tell you that David O. MaKay was a “Christian Naionalist” based on his many anti-Socialist statements, his fervent testimony that the Founding Fathers were inspired of God to write the Declaration of Independence and Constitution of the United States, and his assertion it’s God’s will that the principles codified in both inspired documents are meant for the blessing of all nations and people. I assure you President McKay easily falls into the woke progressive category of a Christian Nationalist based on the things he believed and taught. What fallows is just a start, and if you want to see more evidence that the woke mob would condemn President McKay as a Christian Nationalist, I’ll be happy to oblige. And just in case you’ve forgotten, a great many woke progressives proudly describe themselves as Marxists

Communism: A Statement of the Position of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

by David O. McKay

A statement by President David O. McKay concerning the position of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints on Communism.

In order that there may be no misunderstanding by bishops, stake presidents, and others regarding members of the Church participating in nonchurch meetings to study and become informed on the Constitution of the United States, Communism, etc., I wish to make the following statements that I have been sending out from my office for some time and that have come under question by some stake authorities, bishoprics, and others.

Church members are at perfect liberty to act according to their own consciences in the matter of safeguarding our way of life. They are, of course, encouraged to honor the highest standards of the gospel and to work to preserve their own freedoms. They are free to participate in nonchurch meetings that are held to warn people of the threat of Communism or any other theory or principle that will deprive us of our free agency or individual liberties vouchsafed by the Constitution of the United States.

The Church, out of respect for the rights of all its members to have their political views and loyalties, must maintain the strictest possible neutrality. We have no intention of trying to interfere with the fullest and freest exercise of the political franchise of our members under and within our Constitution, which the Lord declared he established “by the hands of wise men whom [he] raised up unto this very purpose” (D&C 101:80) and which, as to the principles thereof, the Prophet Joseph Smith, dedicating the Kirtland Temple, prayed should be “established forever.” (D&C 109:54.) The Church does not yield any of its devotion to or convictions about safeguarding the American principles and the establishments of government under federal and state constitutions and the civil rights of men safeguarded by these.

The position of this Church on the subject of Communism has never changed. We consider it the greatest satanical threat to peace, prosperity, and the spread of God’s work among men that exists on the face of the earth.

In this connection, we are continually being asked to give our opinion concerning various patriotic groups or individuals who are fighting Communism and speaking up for freedom. Our immediate concern, however, is not with parties, groups, or persons, but with principles. We therefore commend and encourage every person and every group who is sincerely seeking to study Constitutional principles and awaken a sleeping and apathetic people to the alarming conditions that are rapidly advancing about us. We wish all of our citizens throughout the land were participating in some type of organized self-education in order that they could better appreciate what is happening and know what they can do about it.

Supporting the FBI, the police, the congressional committees investigating Communism, and various organizations that are attempting to awaken the people through educational means is a policy we warmly endorse for all our people.

The entire concept and philosophy of Communism is diametrically opposed to everything for which the Church stand’s — belief in Deity, belief in the dignity and eternal nature of man, and the application of the gospel to efforts for peace in the world. Communism is militantly atheistic and is committed to the destruction of faith wherever it may be found.

The Russian Commissar of Education wrote: “We must hate Christians and Christianity. Even the best of them must be considered our worst enemies. Christian love is an obstacle to the development of the revolution. Down with love for one’s neighbor. What we want is hate. Only then shall we conquer the universe.”

On the other hand, the gospel teaches the existence of God as our Eternal and Heavenly Father and declares: “. . . him only shalt thou serve.” Matt. 4:10.)

Communism debases the individual and makes him the enslaved tool of the state, to which he must look for sustenance and religion. Communism destroys man’s God-given free agency.

No member of this Church can be true to his faith, nor can any American be loyal to his trust, while lending aid, encouragement, or sympathy to any of these false philosophies; for if he does, they will prove snares to his feet. 

I am sure Comrade Stalin will be very hurt by this diatribe but I am pretty sure he is dead. Who are you railing against? Where are the hordes of people trying to implement authoritarian communism that you are blathering about?

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Did Pres McKay advocate for all of these positions?  I can see him believing in and preaching the middle though in a very particular way and for the government advocating for Christian values that are applicable to morality, but not because they are defined as Christian, but because they are good.  I would be surprised if he advocated at all for the first.

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Americans who embrace Christian nationalism strongly agree with statements like:
“The federal government should declare the United States a Christian nation.”
“The success of the United States is part of God’s plan.”
“The federal government should advocate Christian values.”

 

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