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  1. I’m guessing you either never read Doctrine and Covenants 138, or, if you have read it, you most certainly didn’t digest and comprehend it’s contents. Try reading Section 138 with an open mind (temporarily putting aside your preconceived notions) and see if what’s written there squares with your present state of understanding with regard to the salvation of the wicked and rebellious who are held within the spirit prison in the great world of the departed dead?
  2. Do your beliefs bring you joy, hope, peace and a deep sense of meaning and purpose to your life? Or do your beliefs make you feel gloomy, hopeless and dejected? I ask in all sincerity because I’m genuinely interested to know if unbelief can be conducive to genuine human happiness in the same way that faith in God often brings a sense of joy to believers. And if your unbelief does indeed bring you a true sense of happiness, is the reason why you so avidly participate on this board because you want to help others experience the same joy you experience in your unbelief? This inquiring mind very much wants to know?
  3. “I testify that wickedness is rapidly expanding in every segment of our society. (See D&C 1:14–16; D&C 84:49–53.) It is more highly organized, more cleverly disguised, and more powerfully promoted than ever before. Secret combinations lusting for power, gain, and glory are flourishing. A secret combination that seeks to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations, and countries is increasing its evil influence and control over America and the entire world.” (See Ether 8:18–25.) (I Testify, Ezra Taft Benson, General Conference Address, October 1988) and… 23 Wherefore, O ye Gentiles, it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you, which are built up to get power and gain—and the work, yea, even the work of destruction come upon you, yea, even the sword of the justice of the Eternal God shall fall upon you, to your overthrow and destruction if ye shall suffer these things to be. 24 Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you; or wo be unto it, because of the blood of them who have been slain; for they cry from the dust for vengeance upon it, and also upon those who built it up. (Ether Chapter eight) I’ll never forget that strange Sunday morning in October of 1988 when a prophet of God announced to the world that Moroni’s terrifying prophecy of a gigantic secret combination that would be set up by the devil in the last days to destroy the freedom of the entire world was being fulfilled even as he spoke. I was astonished because I looked around and realized that, with the exception of Yours Truly, not a single soul in the entire congregation seemed to realize that a most momentous and sobering prophetic pronouncement had just been made. It was then that I realized Moroni’s hope that the general membership of the Church would awaken to a sense of their awful situation in time to do something about this devilish business would not be realized. This prophesied satanic storm has now had 33 years to gather additional strength and consolidate its control, and the fact that so many members of the Church appear be totally blind to what’s obviously raging all around them proves John the Revelator was correct when he warned that Babylon the Great would have tremendous success in blinding and deceiving nearly the entire world prior to the Second Coming of Christ, even including some of the very elect. It’s going to be interesting to hear all the excuses why so many of those who should have known better ended up being deceived by the devil . Personally, I think the main reason why so many are being deceived is because, when you get right down to it, in their heart of hearts most secret combination skeptics ot don’t really believe the Church is true.
  4. Even in LDS theology, no one can be saved in even the lowest kingdom of heavenly glory until they come unto a Christ and acknowledge to God the Father that Jesus Christ is Savior and Lord. 109 But behold, and lo, we saw the glory and the inhabitants of the telestial world, that they were as innumerable as the stars in the firmament of heaven, or as the sand upon the seashore; 110 And heard the voice of the Lord saying: These all shall bow the knee, and every tongue shall CONFESS * to him who sits upon the throne forever and ever; (D&C 76) * 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. (Philippians 2) and… 57 I beheld that the faithful elders of this dispensation, when they depart from mortal life, continue their labors in the preaching of the gospel of repentance and redemption, through the sacrifice of the Only Begotten Son of God, among those who are in darkness (the spirit prison) and under the bondage of sin in the great world of the spirits of the dead. 58 The dead who repent will be redeemed, through obedience to the ordinances of the house of God, 59 Add after they have paid the penalty of their transgressions (a clear reference to the wicked who are thrust into hell at death to suffer for their sins in the spirit prison until the last resurrection), and are washed clean, shall receive a reward according to their works, for they are heirs of salvation. (D&C 138) The prophets in Bible and the Book of Mormon speak the truth when they testify that the only way anyone can be saved is through belief in Jesus Christ. This is why Doctrine and Covenants 76 testifies that the inheritors of the telestial kingdom of glory will dwell in the presence of the Holy Ghost, whose primary mission is to testify of God the Father and his atoning Son.
  5. The infinite and eternal atonement is not a “human sacrifice.” I’m sure you know this very well. 10 For it is expedient that there should be a great and last sacrifice; yea, not a sacrifice of man, neither of beast, neither of any manner of fowl; for it shall not be a human sacrifice; but it must be an infinite and eternal sacrifice. (Alma 34)
  6. Since half of Christ’s genetic makeup comes from his Father, whose ethnicity is unknown, all bets are off when it comes to what Christ actually looks like.
  7. The Trinitarians will freely admit that the Trinity is an incomprehensible mystery, far beyond the understanding of man. So until they can comprehend and clearly define the nature of the Trinity, a dialogue with the Trinitarians based on logic and reason is impossible. For all the Trinitarians know, when the mystery of the Trinity is finally revealed, it might very well turn out that the Latter-Day Saints had it right all along. As for the LDS understanding of the unity of the three members of the Godhead is concerned, almost all Latter-Day Saints totally miss an extremely important element of the story, and that is that there must be three members of the Godhead, each acting in his own specific, indispensable role, in order for any one member of the Godhead to be able to properly function in his own particular divine role. For example, God the Father cannot act in his roll as Father and supreme Creator unless he works in conjunction with a second personage who is God the atoning Redeemer. Without God the Redeemer there would be no way for the Father’s creations to become resurrected and eternally saved. In other words, without Christ there would be no meaningful point to any creation. The same principle holds true for each member of the Godhead: they cannot fulfill their divine roles without the other two members of the Godhead working with him in holy unison. Bottom line? There is and can be no God unless there is a Creator Father, Redeeming Son, and Testating Holy Spirit. Individual action is impossible without the three members of the Godhead acting in perfect unity and harmony with each other, each perfectly fulfilling his own eternally indispensable role.
  8. The “dead” (represented by proxies) are standing right there and are the central focus of the prayers.
  9. I can’t imagine a greater imaginable example of the living turning their hearts to their dead relatives, and intervening mightily in their behalf, to the end that they might obtain salvation, than the great Latter-Day Saint program of the redemption of the dead. Please take thoughtful note the following: 1) While seeking out the vital records of their dead, so that vicarious saving gospel ordinances might be performed in the temples on their behalf, it’s standard practice for those thus engaged to pray earnestly for divine assistance and guidance to the end that the earthly vital records of their lives might be located to facilitate in the process of their salvation. 2) Prior to the saving vicarious ordinances being performed in the temples, it’s standard practice for members to pray to God that the sacred rites that are about to be performed will have their intended effect on the dead for whom the ordinances have been vicariously performed. 3) When individuals are serving in the temples as proxies for the dead, it is, in reality, the dead themselves who are being baptized after baptismal prayers are offered on their behalf; and again, in reality it’s the dead themselves who are confirmed members of the Church and given the gift of the Holy Ghost after the confirmatory prayers are offered in behalf of the dead. 4) Again, when those who serve as proxies for the dead participate in the initiatory ordinances of the temple, it’s the dead themselves who are the recipients of the prayers of blessing that are pronounced during washings and anointings offered on their behalf. 5) Fast forward to the prayer circle and your mistaken notion that prayers should not be made for the dead is blown out of the water. I could go on and on, but by now you must surely get my point. Sometimes it really is true that the proverbial forest can’t be seen for the many obscuring trees.
  10. I really had a good chuckle over your first line! Yeah that’s the ticket, just be like all the other apostate churches that are abandoning the law of chastity, and the solemnity of God’s holy commandment that men are to leave their father’s and mothers and cleave unto their wives with whom they are commanded to become one flesh (in holy imitation of the ideal marital relationship that’s enjoyed by our heavenly parents) and all will be well in Zion!. BALONEY! Just as Elder Holland said, no matter what we do to pacify and indulge our critics it will never be good enough, for the only thing that ever will be good enough will be to utterly reject every holy principle and doctrine that has heretofore characterized the Latter-Day Saints. And as sure as shooting, even the rejection of living prophets, priesthood authority, and the divine authenticity of the Book of Mormon will never be enough. Only a complete and utter rejection of the faith and the disbandment of the Church organization will suffice. How do I know? Because that’s what Satan wants and he “inspires” his followers to seek the same. What a great prescription for the future success of the Church— start taking advice and counsel from those who no longer believe the Church is true yet somehow believe they know best.
  11. What an eye opener! But it kind of ruins the aversion therapy narrative for the haters whose delight it is to paint all things related to the Church in the most negative light possible. Oh wait! I just realized that verifiable fact based corrections are no longer of any significance nor import in this day and age. So never mind, because in spite of a knowledge of the actual facts we’re going to continue to hear, ad nauseam, about the Church leader’s official sponsorship of hundreds of cruel and “barbaric” conversion therapy sessions, that were forced on the innocent, right up until the great angel blows the final horn.
  12. Good for you! You’ve just proven to yourself existence is some kind of weird, highly improbable cosmic accident, and that life is ephemeral, futile and ultimately meaningless. Now go and do whatever you please because there is no punishment for so-called ungodly behavior. You are now free from all restraint and the master of this great secret! Enjoy yourself!
  13. Anyone who possesses the spirit of revelation instantly knows the Book of Mormon came forward just as the Prophet Joseph Smith says it did — a mighty miracle of divine revelation from God. Those who can’t see this perfectly obvious heavenly truth (because they themselves are devoid of the spirit of revelation) will one day have their spiritual eyes opened so that they might clearly see their folly and be filled with wonderment as to how it was possible that they could have been so easily blinded and deceived when the perfectly obvious, unalloyed truth was staring them right in the face . When that day comes they will learn a sad lesson, that it is indeed good to be learned, but only when one has living faith in Christ and harkens to the counsels of God.
  14. No, it’s more important that traditional LDS ideas pertaining to the plan of salvation be upheld, even if the terrestrial being in question would eventually be more comfortable dwelling in the celestial kingdom. But why, you ask, do angels from heaven and beings from the terrestrial kingdom “minster” to the inhabitants of the telestial kingdom, as if they’re trying to help them to grow spiritually and progress? Well what’s actually happening is they’re rubbing the faces of those in the telestial kingdom in their eternally lost opportunity for dynamic spiritual growth and progression to higher realms of spiritual attainment. One of the great things about being in a higher kingdom of glory is all the fun that can be had by mocking and ridiculing those who “blew it.”
  15. As long as the Church continues to teach the Constitution of the United States is inspired of God, that the unrepentant gentiles in the American promised land will have to repent and accept Christ or be swept off, and that God pronounces curses on certain human bloodlines, the middle of the road members of the Church will never be able to distance themselves far enough from the conservative members to escape the prophesied coming wrath that the woke, cancel culture progressives of the world will soon pour out upon the entire Church.
  16. It figures Bushman would be lauded over Nibley on this board. After all, Bushman is the “go to” guy for thousands of bitter former believers who depend upon his “research” to justify their loss of faith and exit from the Church.
  17. No. All the spirit children of God have the God-given potential to become as he is. But there will be many of God’s spirit children in the eternities who will be relegated to the status of angels and will not become gods, because they did not fully overcome the world through faith in Christ and obtain the right to be crowned and enthroned on the very throne of Christ. 16 Therefore, when they (God’s spirit children who do not fully overcome the world) are out of the world they neither marry nor are given in marriage; but are appointed angels in heaven, which angels are ministering servants, to minister for those who are worthy of a far more, and an exceeding, and an eternal weight of glory. 17 For these angels did not abide my law; therefore, they cannot be enlarged, but remain separately and singly, without exaltation, in their saved condition, to all eternity; and from henceforth are not gods, but are angels of God forever and ever. (D&C 132). Meanwhile, there will be those others who are now called angels (such as the angel Moroni) who will obtain that promised “far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory” and eventually be crowned and enthroned as gods. In other words, for some the status of being classified as an angel is temporary.
  18. The answers to your questions are beautifully answered in Doctrine and Covenants Sections 76 and 138. If your questions still haven’t been answered after carefully studying these two sections of scripture, it means you’re either not understanding or missing things that are plainly obvious. So obvious, in fact, that it will do no good if I try to explain it to you.
  19. Why don’t find a way to simplify your musings and questions in order to facilitate greater participation and more focused input. If you make things simple enough for bright sixth graders to understand, you’ll be much more likely to get satisfactory answers to your questions.
  20. Part of the reason why some may bristle is because they fail to comprehend and appreciate that when men become like God it will only be because God dwells within them. A man cannot become a God unless the mind (Spirit) and power of the very God whom he worships dwells within him in infinite and eternal fulness. Men do not become Gods on their own, but only through the indwelling of the mind, power and might of the Godhead. In other words, men become Gods when God dwells within them; men can’t become God’s on their own. It never ceases to amaze me just how spiritually blind some people can be. Joseph Smith said he constantly encountered this phenomenon of spiritual blindness among the saints, and it was ever a source of great frustration to him.
  21. The one element that is almost always left out of such musings by members of the Church is that it was the power of the Father (not his own power) that enabled our Lord to be the Christ. Christ testified to the apostle Philip, “It is not I who have done these things but the Father who dwelleth in me, He doeth the works.” Jesus Christ was saved from the fallen nature by the power of God, and without constant infusions of the the power of God as as a great empowering and enlightening aid He could have done nothing for our benefit and salvation. This is why McConkie taught that Christ is the very prototype of a saved being Christ is a saved being just as we all are, for he perfectly teaches us how to overcome the fallen nature and the temptations of the devil by the yielding of one’s heart to God. This is why Christ needed the gift of the Holy Ghost, just like the rest of us. It’s also important to note that although Christ was without sin that doesn’t mean he never made any mistakes (the prophet Joseph Smith taught one can make serious, heart rending mistakes that aren’t actually sins), the consequences of which enabled him to “learn obedience by the things which he suffered” (Paul). Doctrine and Covenants 93 makes it abundantly clear that throughout his life the Savior by constantly received greater and greater outpourings of divine grace until his own will as a Son was totally swallowed up in the will of the Father, and it is by this means that he was enabled to make a perfect infinite and eternal atoning sacrifice of God. Without these constant infusions of divine power and enlightenment from his Father Christ couldn’t have saved anyone. Remember, it wasn’t until the strengthening angel blessed Christ in Gethsemane that the he was finally able stop pleading with his Father to take away the bitter cup, and it wasn’t until after the same empowering angelic visitation that Christ began to shed his precious atoning blood. While the Son was still in the midst of pleading with his Father to take away the bitter cup, no atoning blood was 12 And I, John, saw that he received not of the fulness at the first, but received grace for grace; 13 And he received not of the fulness at first, but continued from grace to grace, UNTIL he received a fulness; 14 And thus he was called the Son of God, because he received not of the fulness at the first. 15 And I, John, bear record, and lo, the heavens were opened, and the Holy Ghost descended upon him in the form of a dove, and sat upon him, and there came a voice out of heaven saying: This is my beloved Son. 16 And I, John, bear record that he RECEIVED a fulness of the glory of the Father; 17 And he RECEIVED all power, both in heaven and on earth, and the glory of the Father was with him, for he dwelt in him. (Doctrine and Covenants 93) Thus Christ teaches us how to overcome the fallen nature and be saved, not by mechanically “going through the motions” but by relying wholly on the redemptive power of God in order to overcome the fallen world and OBTAIN salvation.
  22. The prophet Joseph Smith taught: “God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! … It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the Character of God, and to know that we may converse with him as one man converses with another, and that he was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ himself did.” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith) Further, the word ‘human’ means “having to do with man.” So a human is a living being with the biological composition, attributes, intelligence, and characteristics of a man. So I’m trying to fathom why the word human is somehow deficient to the word man in the context of the gospel. Are not the two words interchangeable? What’s the difference between a man and a male human being? It appears as if you’re drawing a distinction without any substantive difference. Do you believe God was once a man who lived on a planet like this one?
  23. While ‘human’ may be regarded as a secular term, Church leaders and scholars alike have often used it in a gospel context throughout the years.
  24. Because Christ commands us to worship the being who is the literal Father of our spirits, in the same way God commands earthly fathers to stand at the head of leadership in their own families. It’s called the Patriarchal order, and can be seen in both substance and action all throughout the Old and New Testaments. And as far as being called gods in the here and now, it’s nothing more than an acknowledgment that human beings are of the race of Gods who were created the image and likeness of God. Christ was every bit God even at the time when he was a helpless infant who was dependent upon his parents who were commanded to raise him in the nature and admonition of the Lord until the time that he was was no longer under their authority and discipline. Joseph was warned to take the Christ child into Egypt, not Joseph’s father. Eventually, through the process of continually receiving increased grace for grace, the Lord was finally made perfect, thereby becoming the author of our salvation. A member of the race of gods who is not fully mature can still be rightly called a god, in the same way a human man child is rightly considered a member of the race of man by birthright.
  25. For the moment, let’s focus like a laser on one specific point of this controversy. Will someone with common sense (those without common sense need not respond) please explain to me why asserting that last summer’s violent BLM protestors, who caused over 2 billion dollars in insured property damage through arson, extreme vandalism and massive looting, needed to be arrested and imprisoned for their very real crimes is somehow an example of ‘toxic’ “white supremacy?”
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