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  1. Why don’t find a way to simplify your musings and questions in order to facilitate greater participation and more focused input. If you make things simple enough for bright sixth graders to understand, you’ll be much more likely to get satisfactory answers to your questions.
  2. Part of the reason why some may bristle is because they fail to comprehend and appreciate that when men become like God it will only be because God dwells within them. A man cannot become a God unless the mind (Spirit) and power of the very God whom he worships dwells within him in infinite and eternal fulness. Men do not become Gods on their own, but only through the indwelling of the mind, power and might of the Godhead. In other words, men become Gods when God dwells within them; men can’t become God’s on their own. It never ceases to amaze me just how spiritually blind some people can be. Joseph Smith said he constantly encountered this phenomenon of spiritual blindness among the saints, and it was ever a source of great frustration to him.
  3. The one element that is almost always left out of such musings by members of the Church is that it was the power of the Father (not his own power) that enabled our Lord to be the Christ. Christ testified to the apostle Philip, “It is not I who have done these things but the Father who dwelleth in me, He doeth the works.” Jesus Christ was saved from the fallen nature by the power of God, and without constant infusions of the the power of God as as a great empowering and enlightening aid He could have done nothing for our benefit and salvation. This is why McConkie taught that Christ is the very prototype of a saved being Christ is a saved being just as we all are, for he perfectly teaches us how to overcome the fallen nature and the temptations of the devil by the yielding of one’s heart to God. This is why Christ needed the gift of the Holy Ghost, just like the rest of us. It’s also important to note that although Christ was without sin that doesn’t mean he never made any mistakes (the prophet Joseph Smith taught one can make serious, heart rending mistakes that aren’t actually sins), the consequences of which enabled him to “learn obedience by the things which he suffered” (Paul). Doctrine and Covenants 93 makes it abundantly clear that throughout his life the Savior by constantly received greater and greater outpourings of divine grace until his own will as a Son was totally swallowed up in the will of the Father, and it is by this means that he was enabled to make a perfect infinite and eternal atoning sacrifice of God. Without these constant infusions of divine power and enlightenment from his Father Christ couldn’t have saved anyone. Remember, it wasn’t until the strengthening angel blessed Christ in Gethsemane that the he was finally able stop pleading with his Father to take away the bitter cup, and it wasn’t until after the same empowering angelic visitation that Christ began to shed his precious atoning blood. While the Son was still in the midst of pleading with his Father to take away the bitter cup, no atoning blood was 12 And I, John, saw that he received not of the fulness at the first, but received grace for grace; 13 And he received not of the fulness at first, but continued from grace to grace, UNTIL he received a fulness; 14 And thus he was called the Son of God, because he received not of the fulness at the first. 15 And I, John, bear record, and lo, the heavens were opened, and the Holy Ghost descended upon him in the form of a dove, and sat upon him, and there came a voice out of heaven saying: This is my beloved Son. 16 And I, John, bear record that he RECEIVED a fulness of the glory of the Father; 17 And he RECEIVED all power, both in heaven and on earth, and the glory of the Father was with him, for he dwelt in him. (Doctrine and Covenants 93) Thus Christ teaches us how to overcome the fallen nature and be saved, not by mechanically “going through the motions” but by relying wholly on the redemptive power of God in order to overcome the fallen world and OBTAIN salvation.
  4. The prophet Joseph Smith taught: “God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! … It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the Character of God, and to know that we may converse with him as one man converses with another, and that he was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ himself did.” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith) Further, the word ‘human’ means “having to do with man.” So a human is a living being with the biological composition, attributes, intelligence, and characteristics of a man. So I’m trying to fathom why the word human is somehow deficient to the word man in the context of the gospel. Are not the two words interchangeable? What’s the difference between a man and a male human being? It appears as if you’re drawing a distinction without any substantive difference. Do you believe God was once a man who lived on a planet like this one?
  5. While ‘human’ may be regarded as a secular term, Church leaders and scholars alike have often used it in a gospel context throughout the years.
  6. Because Christ commands us to worship the being who is the literal Father of our spirits, in the same way God commands earthly fathers to stand at the head of leadership in their own families. It’s called the Patriarchal order, and can be seen in both substance and action all throughout the Old and New Testaments. And as far as being called gods in the here and now, it’s nothing more than an acknowledgment that human beings are of the race of Gods who were created the image and likeness of God. Christ was every bit God even at the time when he was a helpless infant who was dependent upon his parents who were commanded to raise him in the nature and admonition of the Lord until the time that he was was no longer under their authority and discipline. Joseph was warned to take the Christ child into Egypt, not Joseph’s father. Eventually, through the process of continually receiving increased grace for grace, the Lord was finally made perfect, thereby becoming the author of our salvation. A member of the race of gods who is not fully mature can still be rightly called a god, in the same way a human man child is rightly considered a member of the race of man by birthright.
  7. For the moment, let’s focus like a laser on one specific point of this controversy. Will someone with common sense (those without common sense need not respond) please explain to me why asserting that last summer’s violent BLM protestors, who caused over 2 billion dollars in insured property damage through arson, extreme vandalism and massive looting, needed to be arrested and imprisoned for their very real crimes is somehow an example of ‘toxic’ “white supremacy?”
  8. As if the baby killing communists and totalitarian world government promoting megalomaniacs you support aren’t equally twisted and worthy of being punched.
  9. Yours is a very clever way to get some of the believing participants on this thread to (unwittingly?) agree with you that many of the passages in the scriptures of the Church are untrue. Is it not correct that in the eyes of many former believers Elder McConkie’s main “transgression” is that he actually had the temerity to believe the scriptures are factually true? Meanwhile, the fact is that there isn’t a single so-called ‘controversial” doctrinal belief that Elder McConkie held that can’t be well supported — or at very least strongly suggested to be true — in the scriptures of the Church. You know your ultimate target the scriptures, but you artfully used Elder McConkie’s current unpopularity as a wedge to get some of the faithful members here to begin to walk away from their trust in the reliability of the scriptures. To me at least, your ploy is very transparent. Discuss the post not the poster.
  10. So I’m guessing you believe the only deceased individuals who will be able to repent and accept Christ in the spirit world will be those who were already in the process of repenting and turning to Christ at the time of their deaths?
  11. Do you believe it’s also true that the New Testament Church made the same kind of “grandiose claims” that you think the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is making today? And if so, do you believe the New Testament Church was as arrogant and exclusive in its day as you believe the Latter-Day Saints are today? The point being, if the restored Church is indeed a restoration of the New Testament Church, why should anyone reasonably expect it to be any different today than it was at the time of the apostles?
  12. This thread provides compelling evidence that the Church is eventually going to split into at least two major factions, one of which will exit the Church and reject the 15 as living prophets of God.
  13. Based on his past behavior, I’d say Lucifer would go for the last option, with godless, totalitarian oligarchs deciding what should be the “right way” to raise a child.
  14. Correct… Outer darkness is reserved only for those individuals who utterly refuse to come unto Christ and repent of their sinful ways. Although the inheritors of the Telestial Kingdom must indeed first suffer for their sins prior to being able to obtain that kingdom of glory, the suffering they endure is wisely calculated to bring remorse of conscience so that they are eventually able to receive the forgiveness of Christ through sincere penitence. Doctrine and Covenants 76 refers to this process of intense spiritual suffering in the spirit prison as “the winepress of the fierceness of the wrath of Almighty God,” wherein all Christ’s former enemies — with the exception of the sons of perdition —are subdued in their rebellion against God until they are authentically remorseful and genuinely wanting to change for the better.
  15. What good would it be to suffer for one’s sins if at the end of the process the individual is still unrepentant and without remorse of conscience?
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