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A man I know was involved with Julie Rowe and then Chad Daybell. He described CD as “the most humble and spiritual man I know”. (I’m paraphrasing a little bit.) That was his response about my even hinting that CD may have been involved with Tammy’s death. It would never have entered his mind that CD was involved with her murder. In fact, in his mind, I showed what low spirituality I had by suggesting such a thing. Apparently some people are VERY easily deceived. It makes me sad to ask this question but here goes: Is it that these followers or even people that casually entertain these false-prophet types and their teachings are devoid of the HG and His gifts (i.e. the gift of discernment)? Its all so, so sad that active members of the church fell for all of this garbage.

Oh my! Lori Vallow once appeared on Wheel of Fortune. NOT an attention seeker huh?

The idea that we will go back to Jackson County I think is a Mormon urban legend. It was born of a desire to regain that which was lost by the early saints. In BY’s time the saints had to be persuaded to even plant trees bc they thought they would be going back at any time—they did not understand. There were several ‘center places” throughout church history. Kirkland, then JC, then Nauvoo and finally SLC. The church was absolved of making JC THE center place in D&C 124. read the whole section but specifically v 51 “Therefore, for this cause have I accepted the offerings of those whom I commanded to build up a city and a house unto my name, in Jackson county, Missouri, and were hindered by their enemies, saith the Lord your God.” JC was simply one of many center places for the church. Then, there is this: “Joseph continued, “‘It is only a little handful of Priesthood you see here tonight, but this Church will fill North and South America--it will fill the world.’ Among other things he said, ‘It will fill the Rocky Mountains. There will be tens of thousands of Latter-day Saints who will be gathered in the Rocky Mountains, and there they will open the door for the establishing of the Gospel among the Lamanites, who will receive the Gospel and their endowments and the blessings of God. This people will go into the Rocky Mountains; they will there build temples to the Most High. They will raise up a posterity there, and the Latter-day Saints who dwell in these mountains will stand in the flesh until the coming of the Son of Man. The Son of Man will come to them while in the Rocky Mountains.’”14https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/pages/the-tapestry-of-gods-hand?lang=eng Bottom line we are not going back. The infrastructure is in UT. JC is part of a large metropolitan area today. What would have to happen to 100’s of thousands of those people that live there for us to just come in and take over their property, lands and businesses so that we could build a city? Think about it.

Patrons don’t receive their “endowments”. (plural). They receive an endowment (singular).

Oh my! Another terribly wrong decision by BYU / The Church...Are we so scared of what the world thinks or do we want to be liked by the world so badly that we are willing to accept THEIR values? Do we think appeasing the world will make them our friends? Appeasement never works. It is a loosing strategy. Look, it’s easy to guess how the gay characters will be portrayed: They will be portrayed positively. They will not be portrayed as a person struggling against evil temptations, trying to keep the law of chastity. This would go against the CBC and they have already “warned” us so it’s pretty clear we will do whatever they say. in the end it will come across as normalizing which leads to condoning homosexuality—sad. I fear for The Church.

I’m quite confused by your response. How am I “loosing it”? Did I yell, use hyperbole or state anything non-factual? Also please help me understand how I’m interpreting incorrectly Q 7 of the temple recommend. It seems incredibly clear to me that if you support abortion (other than how the Handbook allows for it) or gay marriage, for example, that you would have to answer “yes” (to either version of the question) thereby disqualifying you for a recommend. I agree w your last point: as a European immigrant, it us expected that his views would be left politically.

Somebody please help me understand how an active member of the church can justify supporting abortion and gay marriage?

Completely serious. Was there anything non-factual with what I said?

Q: What did he actually do? A: He donated to powers that promote the gay agenda, abortion, corrupt elections, violence, transgenderism, pornography, the curtailment of individual rights, socialism, the disintegration of the family, abdication of personal responsibility, corruption of gender roles...EVERYTHING that is anti God’s plan of salvation. Put that way it seems pretty clear what should happen. He was demoted once when he was released from the 1st Presidency. Make no mistake that wasn’t just a “release”. However he won’t be released because of this. The Church seems much too concerned about saving face since Pres Hinckley’s days. This is question 7 in the temple recommend: “Do you support or promote any teachings, practices, or doctrine contrary to those of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?” Based on this alone, no Democrat should hold a recommend little alone be in The 12.