Senator

I believe it an oversimplification to say that doubt or belief are merely choices. Our mind's capacity to believe is a fascinating phenomena. I'm not a neurologist nor psychologist, but I suspect that there are multiple factors at play, even subconscious protocols that employ variables of upbringing, environment, experience, education, mental health, emotion, personality, and trauma to name just a few. All these quietly influence our state of perception, belief or disbelief, outside of our conscious and deliberate thought.

Yes, Elder Holland, I can be patient, kind and forgiving. At the same time I may chose to not doubt certain doubts if I feel they have merit, and "not hang on every word of the 12. I listen and consult with GOD and make my own path"

I think there is a growing number in the church that are adopting that approach.

If I must. You asked “what do you mean?”, in response to my statement that the proclamation is doctrine. I then responded by quoting church authorities giving evidence to statement. Some how you do not see that as responding to “anything” you asked?🤷‍♂️

“Clear and unambiguous” gets them in trouble. Generalities is the tactic of the day. Generalities leave wiggle room for exceptions.

"The proclamation on the family is, as President Hinckley stated, doctrine" Elder Rasband, Oct GC 2025 https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2025/10/21rasband?lang=eng&id=p_mmGnZ#p_mmGnZ

I'm not so sure about that. We have heard in the past two GCs a circling back to, and doubling down on the Proclamation on the Family, which has just a little to say about traditional gender roles. And make no mistake, the Proclamation is revealed doctrine. So, I am little surprised to see this message from a church site. Is it a mixed message?

Feel better?

Hmmm

Why not? Why couldn't the things learned have general application? Maybe they felt impressed to share it with the world. And how would Pres Oaks know what other people's revelations were meant for?

So we are to just give a thumbs up to scholarly assessments of miraculous claims, but give a thumbs down to scholarly assessments of those scholarly assessments?

??

Just a curiosity question, as I am ignorant and have not follow this line of research, but has all of this data evidence been peer reviewed outside of the LDS scholarly domain?

If you say so

My thoughts? My thoughts are that I become increasing skeptical whenever I hear the claim, "the spirit commanded me to [fill in the blank]"

The funny thing is, they ended up dwindling and perishing in unbelief anyway. Go figure

I wish you would just tell us how you really feel!

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Note to self: Add to list of justifications for Nephi's killing of Laban> Laban was crime boss and serial killler who had it coming.... Got it.

The way you phrased this brought a thought to mind. Could we add this to the list of "Gifts of the Spirit"? The spiritual gift of shedding blood. No, this is never going to sit right with me, no matter how many "reasonings" are given.

That's what I was after.

Thank you. Am I to understand that the notion of God "commanding" plural marriages in the OT is derived from contemporary LDS revelations? Do you know where in OT that God commanded the practice?

CFR please

Hmm does make one wonder🤔

While idealistically this may be true, I suspect individual MMV. I don't know how ,in church settings, one could express disagreements(disbelief) with certain church policies and or doctrines, which obviously includes statements from church leadership. My experience is that those that are in such a place, quickly learn to hold those thoughts close to the chest, lest he be seen as "going out of his way to broadcast his "doubts" or degree of "disbelief"". (speaking for friend :))