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Hamba Tuhan

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  1. The Lord has always been able to personalise prophetic messages through genuine revelation. As Elder Packer taught in his 'infamous' address to Church employees, those people are both at peace and prosper. Being told through revelation that one is an exception to the general counsel is fundamentally different to determining that the prophets have lost their way. I recently quoted Thomas B. Marsh on this forum:
  2. Precisely. In my opinion, the endowment teaches this principle and actually has us rehearse it. Once we are out of God's immediate presence, we are invited to heed the words of 'angels' who are eventually identified as prophets. As we first recognise and then choose to follow 'true messengers', they help us come back into communion with the Lord Himself. Yes to all of the above, but I suspect that most important is the fact that they have the Lord's endorsement. He has specifically chosen them to teach us how to practise submitting to His will. I have never seen rejection of prophetic authority end well. I have never seen it lead a person closer to the Lord Himself.
  3. Same. If anything, the existence of some kind of 'giant mega-fund' has actually increased my motivation!
  4. I'm more interested in genuine revelation than I am in my 'conscience'. My nephew's wife's conscience assured her that all vaccines are evil. She even wrote a letter to the First Presidency and chastised them for being wrong on this point in relation to Covid (and then posted it on Facebook, which is how I know about it). Her conscience led her to a very long stay in an ICU and months on bottled oxygen, though she is finally off now. As documented on certain websites, American cemeteries are now filled with the graves of people whose consciences assured them they were better informed and morally superior to public health authorities as well. In a priesthood leadership training meeting with Elder Bednar, someone in the Q&A asked about how to distinguish revelation. His response: out of necessity, most revelation will inform us that we are wrong. I'm convinced that the Lord requires us to heed prophets because He knows full well that, if we can't humble ourselves enough to do that, we will never be able to follow Him. Too many Saints convince themselves that somehow it's easier to follow God 'directly', but scripture suggests otherwise. How many times did Jesus preach that rejecting apostles would lead to a rejection of Him?
  5. Many thanks for sharing this story. When I was an undergraduate student in America, my Latter-day Saint housemates and I one year identified two individuals who were so screwed up that they would be the last people on the planet to ever join the Church. One of them was a journalism student from Texas who regularly used his presence in the student newspaper to scream about the evils of Christianity and -- worst of all, in his mind! -- Latter-day Saints. The other was a woman who had some kind of fatal attraction to my Cherokee housemate, to the point of committing acts that could easily have been classed as sexual assault and stalking. Before the year was out, both of them had become members. It was an important lesson. For many years now, I have said that, if the Lord is willing to forgive my depravity, then everyone has hope. I had an opportunity back in December to repeat that message. As EQ president, I felt impressed to reach out to a young man who hasn't been to church since he was 12. To my surprise, he responded, and we've had a few exchanges since. In one of the first ones, he asked me if I was going to invite him back to church My reply: 'Only if you want me to'. He then wrote that he doubted God would want him back after all the sins and crimes that he has committed. I assured him that, on a very personal level, I know that He does because He has always wanted me back. After all, we are all in the same boat when it comes to sin and redemption. I like James's message on this point: 'For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill'. The divisions between eternal kingdoms are not based on any kind of 'hierarchy' of the sins we commit. All sin separates us from God. Instead, what are our motivations for repenting? A man who has to experience the torment of Spirit Prison's temporary hell before he is willing to accept the Saviour's offer of salvation will find himself in the Telestial Kingdom whether the sin he refused to give up was gossiping or murder. Lastly, any suggestion that this or that person lacks the capacity to fully repent and follow Christ is the doctrine of devils.
  6. You're more likely to run across you (singular) and youse (plural).
  7. Great Pretender: If I dare 'pray wrong' at church, other members will judge me. Also Great Pretender: Most of you on this thread are praying wrong, and you need to stop.
  8. Nice. It's the way we were made to be in water. Though I suspect this is not the time of year for it in your parts ...
  9. See my additional comments above. Prayer in Brazil uses archaic pronouns exactly how prayer in English often does.
  10. They haven't. I was speaking Spanish to a sister at church just two Sundays ago, and I watched a YouTube video in (European) Portuguese during my lunch today. Interestingly, as I noted in the other thread, the 'language of prayer' in Portuguese requires the use of the second-person singular pronoun tu. In Brazil, this pronoun has almost entirely been replaced with the plural você -- an exact analogy of what happened in English with the singular pronoun thou. In Portugal, however, tu remains in common use, and the plural você is avoided. This means that when a person prays in Portugal, s/he uses familiar pronouns, but when a person prays in Brazil, s/he uses archaic pronouns. The language of prayer nonetheless remains the same.
  11. I can think of few things less enticing than beer (or alcohol of any kind), but I'm always up for skinny dipping! Two Saturdays ago, a couple of mates from Church and I headed down to the river after an evening event. The water was high and reasonably warm, and though there was no moon, the overcast sky did a fine job of reflecting city lights for us. We very easily swam downstream to the weir and sat on top in the warm, forest-scented air for a great discussion on matters both spiritual and trivial. Then it was time for the return swim. Because the water was high, the current was swift, and I thought several times that I wasn't going to make it, but I couldn't endure the thought of my bloated, naked body getting stuck on the weir, so I prayed for strength and swam harder. I was a bit sore for church the next day, but it was 100 per cent worth it!
  12. Nephi in regards to preparing the small plates c.2,400 years before Joseph Smith allowed the Book of Lehi to go missing: 'Wherefore, the Lord hath commanded me to make these plates for a wise purpose in him, which purpose I know not. But the Lord knoweth all things from the beginning; wherefore, he prepareth a way to accomplish all his works among the children of men'. Quite possibly, some of his people may have questioned Nephi's decision to forge, form, and then engrave an excess set of plates.
  13. I don't find it funny at all. Not all Saints enjoy the levels of comfort and affluence that appear to be the seedbed of your thought bubble. Again, you are speaking from a position of great privilege. I can walk into a chapel that has electricity, running water, heating and cooling, free wi-fi, etc. We can afford to send our young people on missions knowing that the experience will be heavily subsidised. We have scriptures and other Church materials. We have a temple we can worship in and an accommodation building near the temple that we can stay in, with a room tariff that is about 15 per cent of what we would need to pay for a comparable hotel room -- all provided by tithing. (And for members who struggle to afford the travel costs to the temple, the stake provides free travel for 20 people about ten times per year -- again, from tithing.) The issues you are raising are ones that in 20 years in my stake, I have never once heard a member here raise.
  14. Yes. By the 17th century, English had already largely lost the distinction in the 2nd person between singular and plural pronouns, with the plural becoming dominant.
  15. The response in my stake would be: 'Who the hell has time and energy to figure out what to do with their own tithing. That's the Brethren's job!'
  16. I was a university student in America when this censure happened. One of my flatmates had a brother who was a former BYU professor who had been 'pushed out', and he had been instrumental in securing the censure. I asked my flatmate why his brother was so bitter about leaving BYU when it was obvious that he no longer held any Latter-day Saint beliefs whatsoever. As my housemate explained it, his brother desperately wanted to work and teach at BYU specifically to help young students reach the same apostate conclusions about the Church as he had, and he was angry that his dream of playing the saboteur from within the 'academic shelter' of the university had been detected and then dashed. My flatmate, by the way, was 100 per cent on his brother's side. Before the end of the year, he had likewise left the Church after having persuaded one of our recent converts to start sleeping with him.
  17. Neither. It's what I suspect (hence my verb choice) based on personal experience. As I told the former investigator who came to my house last night, it has been my experience that God is involved in my life to the degree that I want Him to be and then seek for through my thoughts and actions. His desire never seems to wane. He's been there during the good times and definitely during the bad times.
  18. I strongly suspect He'll honour that preference.
  19. Does He answer prayers, including in words and in His own voice? Yes. Does He send peace in the midst of terrible trials? Yes. Does He send angels with messages? Yes. Does he reveal information to us in visions, both waking and in dreams? Yes. Does He heal minds and bodies? Yes. Does He prompt us when others need our help? Yes. Does He warn us of impending danger/threats? Yes. I would consider all of those intervention, and I have experienced all of the above more than once, in some cases many times. Last weekend, whilst I was praying, a former investigator came into my mind. I used to pray for him all the time, but he dropped off my mental list at some point. (He hasn't been to church in about 8 years.) I felt impressed that I should start praying for him again, so I did, and I included him in my Sunday fast. Tuesday morning I woke up to a notification on my phone. This young man had 'unsent' me a message on Facebook at 5:30am. As a rule, I would assume that he had sent a message to the wrong recipient, realised it, and then deleted it. After all, the last time I'd heard from him was in July 2021, and my last three messages to him (the last one in September last year) had gone unread. But because of the impression that had come over the weekend, I revised my initial response and send him a message. He replied. We chatted back and forth. It turns out that he did send me a message at 5:30 that morning and then worried about it and so withdrew it. I get that; we haven't seen each other in about 8 years. But when I sent him a message, he knew it was OK to 'bother' me. He told me he felt lost and asked if we could catch up. He came round for dinner last night. It was great to see him! He looks really good. But he's lost spiritually. He's stopped praying (except when he's in trouble), reading scripture, attending church, etc. He implied that he may be running with the wrong crowd. Now he needs divine guidance, and he's forgot how to go about that. We discussed the importance of regular prayer, time spent in the scriptures, being part of a faith community, etc. I encouraged him to start praying and then follow whatever promptings he receives around everything else. (Though he did say that he'd manage to relocate his Book of Mormon before coming round.) I know myself. I'm certain I would not have responded to this young man without divine 'intervention' a few days prior. Instead, I was prepared to respond in the way that he needed. It was precisely what he needed, he said. God is good. He's also wise. I refuse to let the fact that I don't fully understand His wisdom interfere with my rejoicing in His goodness.
  20. I suspect they originated with some 'left-brained' person who genuinely found them helpful, and then got repeated by similar figures in the Church who hoped others would find them helpful too. Whenever I've had them in a lesson (as when I taught Gospel Principles), I always said, 'Hey, here are some ideas that you might use as you learn to repent. Pick and choose what works for you'.
  21. It's common because it's baked into the system and has been transparently acknowledged since the very beginning. Here's George Q. Cannon in General Conference, 6 April 1879 (Journal of Discourses 20:25) -- Of course, the key has always been the Gift of the Holy Ghost. Here's Brigham Young in General Conference, 6 October 1855 (Journal of Discourses 3:8) --
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