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Hamba Tuhan

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  1. Individual 'liberty' ... selflessly paid for with tens of thousands of dollars taken forcibly from the pockets of neighbours!
  2. I think we had to arise at 2am or something like that. I tried to doze off on the shuttle. Oh, and I was sick and miserable with a viral infection. Things like that stick with me.
  3. For personal reasons, I would be deeply grateful for both of these!
  4. Sorry, I don't follow half of what you wrote above, and beyond that, I'm just not willing to take the bait. I sat in a meeting with Pres Hinckley once where he told us that people who prophesied 'doom and gloom' (his words) regarding the US simply do not understand the nation's established/promised role as protector and defender of the Church's headquarters. Call me naïve, but I trust his grasp of the matter more than yours.
  5. From June through August 2021, preventable COVID-19 hospitalizations among unvaccinated adults in America cost over US$5 billion. For the insured, the impacts will reach to everyone in their health fund. For the uninsured, the impacts will reach everyone. Good luck! I'm not sure this is what the doctor would have ordered for your economy ...
  6. Actually, the 12 August statement only mentions 'public meetings': As someone earlier pointed out, use of face masks is part of Phase 3 temple openings. It appears that people either forgot that or openly rebelled against it; hence, today's 'reminder'.
  7. Yep, which is why, I suspect, the First Presidency have already asked people to wear face coverings to church meetings.
  8. Interestingly, as I've noted elsewhere, the total harm rate from polio (deaths plus paralysis plus crippling) is actually less than just the death rate from Covid-19.
  9. Yes, it's always fascinating when the Saints defy their prophets, I find. That's been the case here, too. It seems quite silly for Church leaders to care more about the health and wellbeing of members than secular governments do. Not in America:
  10. The below video showed up on my recommended list today. It's a pretty well-thought-out response to the OP and so many other comments on this thread. Jacob has published on the psychology of polarising political movements, and his insight that people like Dehlin and his ilk are using the same methods to stir up the same kinds of fear, hatred and suspicion is powerful, in my opinion.
  11. Yep, there are just some people where, after an interaction or two, one realises that it's wise to just back away slowly. My personal rule -- both on this forum and elsewhere -- is not to engage with crazy.
  12. I have zero guarantee of that, but we can both hope together! I really enjoyed having him as my companion. Regardless, if I ever bump into him at the shops and actually recognise him, I'll head straight over and say hi. If I don't see or recognise him, but he sees me, I already know how he'll interpret that ...
  13. It's a very difficult space for everyone. Abut ten years ago, we had a young member of our ward formally apostatise over the Church's opposition to redefining marriage. He was my home teaching companion before he left, and he would frequently tell me about how judgemental everyone else was. His evidence was all along the lines of: someone looked at me during Institute. 'And you know what he was thinking when he looked at you?' 'It was obvious!' He reminded me of my Very Angry Sister-in-law when she told us all after church one Sunday that Sis So-and-so had told her she was getting fat. I was dumbfounded. Why would someone just walk up to another person at church at say, 'Wow, you're really getting fat'? Shocked and curious, I asked for the exact words that Sis So-an-so had used. 'She said, "Oh, that's a nice new dress"'. 'And then she said, "You look fat in it"?' I asked. 'No'. 'So what else did she say?' 'That's it'. Super-confused look on my face. 'She knows very well that I to had to buy a new dress because I've gained weight!' Anyway, one evening in frustration, I pointed out to my apostatising home teaching companion that the only Church member judging people was he. He couldn't see it, of course, and he was really offended, so I never brought it up again. When he formally resigned from the Church, he was very clear that he wanted no contact from any of us. Respectful of his desires, we let him go his merry way. One morning about four months later, he rang me on my mobile. I was excited to get a call from him, sincerely hoping he wanted to resume contact. He was angry. 'You people are all a bunch of hypocrites', he said. 'You were never my friends; you just pretended to care'. Confused and hurt, I asked him why he felt this way. 'It's been four months since I left, and not one person has reached out to me to see how I'm going!' I reminded him that he had told us all personally that he wanted zero contact. I told him that he had repeated that instruction in a Facebook message to me. He insisted I was lying. After he hung up, I didn't know what I was supposed to do. Leave him alone like he'd originally demanded? Check on him in a few days and risk being accused of being fake and just checking in on him because of his phone call? In the end, I waited a couple of months and then sent him a message and asked if he'd like to come 'round some evening for dinner. He never replied. I tried one more time. Same response. So yeah ... I honestly suspect he's on an ex-Mormon forum somewhere telling everyone how fake and judgemental Church members are. Oh, and how much we hate gay people.
  14. And if people aren't confusing enough, this same person overnight liked my Facebook post that links to the article in the OP and expresses my gratitude for the miracle of life- and health-saving vaccines ...
  15. Then you're a better person than I am. I find that I'm struggling to feel bad for the thousands of Americans who consciously choose this path and then seem to celebrate it -- all whilst racking up thousands and thousands of dollars in hospital expenses, both for themselves and for those with whom they share health funds.
  16. Calm has once again lived up to her name and provided you with one response. I'm afraid that I just agree that it is hopeless. One of my American Facebook friends has been posting anti-vaccine stuff for weeks, possibly months. Just a few minutes ago, I saw from my Facebook news feed that her entire family now has Covid, and she is in hospital struggling to breathe even with oxygen. She said this is the sickest she's even been in her entire life, with pain she had never imagined before. And then she concluded by letting everyone know that she has zero regrets about 'exercising her right' not to be vaccinated ... I am reminded of these verses in Mormon:
  17. Exactly! I am so, so grateful that the Lord is willing to take deeply flawed me and transform me into a being of glory. There is nothing in my 'identity' that is more important than that promise. Intentionally teaching that holding onto who we are in mortality is somehow of greater value than becoming who God knows we can and should be in eternity is diabolical. It is literally anti-Christ.
  18. It's not the Church's problem if people in a certain nation politicise things that aren't inherently political. Many people live in nations where simply preaching Christ has political implications. Prophets don't let that stop them standing up for truth either.
  19. I don't know for certain. I've never been a committed Baptist or Catholic. I personally know several hundred committed Catholics and a handful of committed Baptists who became committed Latter-day Saints, and they tell a quite different story, as you can imagine. I also currently have a good mate who is a deeply committed Catholic who once told me that his parish is spiritually dead and that we should come teach everyone there to be as spiritually alive as we are. I told him we could do that, but then they might not be Catholics anymore ... But speaking personally, I freakin' love it when I meet fellow Christians who are enjoying some of the same things that I have come to experience as a Latter-day Saint. Having something in common to talk about brings us closer together and introduces an element of shared joy into our friendship that is otherwise missing. I wish this happened more often than it does, but I rejoice every time it happens! In my opinion, the most miraculous thing that God does is to change my stubborn, rebellious heart/nature. Without Him, it's impossible. Even with Him, it feels borderline impossible, and yet He still pulls it off. We live in a world that increasingly preaches that people can't change who they are (and even tries to legislate against the opposite), and yet Christ has changed me in essential ways. I no longer want things I used to want desperately. I now love things that previously felt like terrible burdens. Who I am has fundamentally changed. And this hasn't been a one-off, either; He keeps sanctifying me.
  20. I got the impression when I lived in America that, for many members, the Church functions as a social community and a culture. But there has to be something beneath that, in my opinion. Otherwise, what happens when one finds that s/he is feeling uncomfortable or even at odds with the community/cultural values and practices? Miraculously -- to me -- the Restored Gospel lives up to its promises: revelations, visions, miracles, clear and verifiable answers to prayers, priesthood power, angelic ministrations, the gift of tongues, divine interventions both big and small, the sweet relief of justification coupled with the near impossibility of sanctification, and so forth.
  21. These are powerful data. Thank you for sharing them.
  22. If I am currently experiencing the living reality of the Restored Gospel, all of the above will ring hollow to me. That's the key, in my opinion. People listen to things that feel familiar.
  23. I've posted before about apostasies in my ward. We had several a few years ago, including a family that had been in many leadership callings. It was all over same-sex 'marriage'. I haven't really seen what the OP describes. Our young people are in pretty good shape. Over the past two years, we've had a record number of them serving missions. Our Institute/YSA programs are booming. We've had two convert baptisms in our ward over the past two months, both of them YSA-age females. One spoke in stake conference shortly after her baptism, and the other one shared her testimony in our online sacrament meeting a couple of Sundays ago.
  24. That's right. I'm not. Agreed. Based on the the people I know who have left, my general sense is that people decide the Church no longer 'fits'.
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