jkwilliams Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 Well, if this board is your only source of news, I suppose that's true.It is my only source for Kate Kelly news.
3DOP Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 (edited) A woman cannot be ordained a Catholic priest, even if 1 or 100 bishops were involved. These people have become protestants -- breaking away from the Catholic Church yet claiming priesthood authority. A silly publicity stunt... yet it makes me smile that brings together Mormons and Catholics in mutual disdain Yes. Ditto. Also, Miserere, if you haven't noticed: some are of the opinion that Catholics deny the priesthood of all believers. Whaddya think a' that? Where do they come up with that one? I thought we believed in both an ordained priesthood AND the priesthood of all the baptized??? Edited October 21, 2015 by 3DOP
Avatar4321 Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 A woman cannot be ordained a Catholic priest, even if 1 or 100 bishops were involved. These people have become protestants -- breaking away from the Catholic Church yet claiming priesthood authority. A silly publicity stunt... yet it makes me smile that brings together Mormons and Catholics in mutual disdain So in the act of protesting the Catholic church they become protestants don't they?
Teancum Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 (edited) So factually mentioning, just in passing, something Mister Dehlin did is an "attempt to further smear" him.I see.I am glad you see. Because you see Scott did more than factually mention it. He put a spin on it. Edited October 21, 2015 by Teancum
BlueDreams Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 I'm curious about what of these rituals are purely catholic (with women doing them) and which ones are added/changed (at least from what's seen in the photography). Obviously holding it in a methodist church is a massive change, but I'm curious about the smaller ones. Like do ordained priests in Catholicism usually have lay-people's hands placed on them, including people who aren't of the Catholic faith? I'm curious to know how their philosophical bend shows within the way that they maintain certain Catholic ordination rites or alter them as deemed suited. That's probably indicative of my excessive curiosity than anything else. The reason provided that made this ordination acceptable to....I guess God, but really for women to serve women was: "We are disobeying an unjust law that discriminates against women in our church," Meehan said in an interview. "Our Roman Catholic women priest movement makes the connection that poverty, violence and abuse of women in the world is related to sexism in the church." Huh? Because you make the connection it is therefore acceptable? Must be freeing to just make up crap and arrive at a deduction because you made a connection. I see a connection between the anti-male groups and these nuns who want to be priests and KK being viewed as someone with authority to ordain anyone, much less a catholic. Actually that part made sense to me (their execution on the other hand....). It's called isomorphism. And even though they place them in more grandiose terms than I may go for, I think the general idea is actually probably fairly true, particularly if you look with a longer historical lens. Of course I don't think it's a good reason to go renegade and do it your own way. That doesn't actually fix the system, it just removes you from it and with lessened influence. But to each their own.... With luv,BD 1
Thinking Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 Publicity stunt. The clock ran out on KKs 15 minutes and she's desparately trying to stay relevant. And thanks to RCM, her 15 minutes will be extended even more (at least on this board). 2
Bernard Gui Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 If the ladies are serious about ordaining one another, perhapsthey might simply start their own church where they couldestablish the doctrines, procedures, and priesthood they desireand invite like-minded folks to join. Church of the Divine Womanhas a nice ring to it.
Senator Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 We can be grateful for the right we all enjoy of not being obligated to read or participate in a thread we don't like. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
stemelbow Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 If the ladies are serious about ordaining one another, perhaps they might simply start their own church where they could establish the doctrines, procedures, and priesthood they desire and invite like-minded folks to join. Church of the Divine Woman has a nice ring to it. SOunds pretty close to what's happening. I'm eager to see how this plays out. They may get a pretty useful religion going. Men always mess things up, lets face it.
bluebell Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 Yes. Ditto. Also, Miserere, if you haven't noticed: some are of the opinion that Catholics deny the priesthood of all believers. Whaddya think a' that? Where do they come up with that one? I thought we believed in both an ordained priesthood AND the priesthood of all the baptized??? Sorry if i have presented that incorrectly 3DOP. I was talking about Catholics believing in the existence of a formal priesthood and a line of authority, which, if i understand correctly, protestants do not agree with. Clearly i should have chosen my words more carefully.
Avatar4321 Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." So this thread is a triumph of evil?
jkwilliams Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 So this thread is a triumph of evil? A thread involving Kate Kelly is always a triumph of evil. Whenever someone mentions her name, an angel loses its wings.
MiserereNobis Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 A thread involving Kate Kelly is always a triumph of evil. Whenever someone mentions her name, an angel loses its wings. Quick, someone clap their hands and say, "I believe in fairies!" Oh, wait, that's Peter Pan. Well, maybe I'll hear a bell ring today and know that an angel just got its wings (that's right, that's right, atta boy, Clarence!)
MiserereNobis Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 I'm curious about what of these rituals are purely catholic (with women doing them) and which ones are added/changed (at least from what's seen in the photography). Obviously holding it in a methodist church is a massive change, but I'm curious about the smaller ones. Like do ordained priests in Catholicism usually have lay-people's hands placed on them, including people who aren't of the Catholic faith? I'm curious to know how their philosophical bend shows within the way that they maintain certain Catholic ordination rites or alter them as deemed suited. That's probably indicative of my excessive curiosity than anything else. No, lay people do not lay on hands. The Bishop does, first, and then other priests who are part of the ordination ceremony. Here is the Rite of Ordination (there have been a couple of minor changes in the 80s and 90s, but I can't seem to find a current one online). Laying on of hands is at points 20 and 21. The traditional Rite of Ordination is still permissible, and you can find it here. 3
Avatar4321 Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 And thanks to RCM, her 15 minutes will be extended even more (at least on this board).So the articles writer and kk herself had nothing to do with her remaining in the news?I feel a facepalm coming on.
3DOP Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 Sorry if i have presented that incorrectly 3DOP. I was talking about Catholics believing in the existence of a formal priesthood and a line of authority, which, if i understand correctly, protestants do not agree with. Clearly i should have chosen my words more carefully. No worries bluebell...I thought there was more than one reference inferring that the priesthood of all believers is an exclusively Protestant notion. You were right about the main point. Most of them deny the Sacramental priesthood. I just wanted to get the jump on anyone who could think Catholics have never noticed 2 Peter 2:9. This verse cannot be limited to those with Holy Orders, and applies to all of the faithful according to Catholic interpretation: "But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a purchased people, that you may declare his virtues, who hath called you out of darkness into his admirable light."
BlueDreams Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 No, lay people do not lay on hands. The Bishop does, first, and then other priests who are part of the ordination ceremony. Here is the Rite of Ordination (there have been a couple of minor changes in the 80s and 90s, but I can't seem to find a current one online). Laying on of hands is at points 20 and 21. The traditional Rite of Ordination is still permissible, and you can find it here.Thanks. My curiosity took me far enough to read much of that and to find at least pieces of their ceremony online in comparison. Interesting fact: they ordain married women too (I mean, i guess if your going to defy one thing you might as well defy a couple of others as well). This is interesting in general. The one major difference I noticed with the mormon OW and the catholic OW was that the catholic one was overtly political as well as religious in it's pursuit for dynamic changes. They're also more bold and straight forward in their practices. Anywho, it was interesting.With luv,BD 1
Hamba Tuhan Posted October 27, 2015 Posted October 27, 2015 (edited) Oh goodie, another p*** on Kate Kelly thread! I for one am glad she's so popular here because I would never hear anything about her if people didn't keep starting threads. The gift that keeps on giving. My favourite quote: 'I had to leave the community. I had to, y'know, no longer attend. I had to separate myself psychologically from what I now think is a cult. And so I think it's difficult for anyone to leave a cult'. Perhaps Kate should therefore be grateful for the priesthood leaders who helped her make her difficult escape? Edited October 27, 2015 by Hamba Tuhan
bluebell Posted October 27, 2015 Posted October 27, 2015 The gift that keeps on giving. My favourite quote: 'I had to leave the community. I had to, y'know, no longer attend. I had to separate myself psychologically from what I now think is a cult. And so I think it's difficult for anyone to leave a cult'. Perhaps Kate should therefore be grateful for the priesthood leaders who helped her make her difficult escape? She really said that?
Hamba Tuhan Posted October 27, 2015 Posted October 27, 2015 (edited) She really said that? You can listen for yourself if you like. I transcribed beginning at 8:31. The whole thing is worth a listen, though, perhaps. As a professional historian, I was interested in hearing the provision of historical context described as telling lies and Church study topics identified as attempts at 'gaslighting'. Edited October 27, 2015 by Hamba Tuhan
Calm Posted October 27, 2015 Posted October 27, 2015 (edited) She really said that?She said a lot worse imo, but that more or less sums it up. That Gephardt never challenged her POV really disappoints me. It was to me more of an infomercial for Kate Kelly than an interview by a reporter or whatever he calls himself these days. Maybe he sees himself as a talk show host, supposed to be agreeable to all of one's guests. Edited October 27, 2015 by Calm
MorningStar Posted October 27, 2015 Posted October 27, 2015 She really said that?Yes, indeed. Just watched it. She's a very confusing woman.
Avatar4321 Posted October 27, 2015 Posted October 27, 2015 Yes, indeed. Just watched it. She's a very confusing woman.She is very confused so can you blame her?
Russell C McGregor Posted November 3, 2015 Author Posted November 3, 2015 The gift that keeps on giving. My favourite quote: 'I had to leave the community. I had to, y'know, no longer attend. I had to separate myself psychologically from what I now think is a cult. And so I think it's difficult for anyone to leave a cult'. Perhaps Kate should therefore be grateful for the priesthood leaders who helped her make her difficult escape? Maybe she should be grateful to the PE teachers who got her into peak physical condition, so that she could leap from the roof of the Salt Lake temple and land in the Great Salt Lake. BTW, was there a car chase in the course of that difficult escape? Car chases are cool. Although helicopter chases are better, and fast boat escapes when pursued by helicopters (black, of course) are the coolest of all.
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