MiserereNobis

I get the feeling you don't really care to find out what we Catholics believe. Gotchas, insults, inflammatory posts seem to be more your method. "Cops out"? There is nuance. Not everything is on/off, black/white, right/wrong, true/false. They are not logically opposing. They are nuanced. I've said for many years on this forum that the Pope and LDS Prophet function practically the same. And yeah, we don't call the pope a "living prophet." We call him the Vicar of Christ. It's got a little more punch to it than prophet, so don't think we are downplaying his role as compared to your prophet How, in practical terms, is the Pope, together with the College of Bishops, promulgating doctrine and dogma any different than the LDS prophet, together with the other 14 apostles, promulgating doctrine? They both claim inspiration and revelation, right? I know that word revelation trips you up, so let's take a look at the last time the pope infallibly declared a dogma. This is the dogma of the Assumption of Mary, that she was taken body and soul into heaven. Pope Pius XII declared this on November 1, 1950. Yes, 76 years ago, but unless I'm mistaken, the last time the equivalent happened in your church (Official Declaration 2, which the internet says June 8, 1978) was 48 years ago. Here's what the Pope said in Munificentissiumus Deus: So, he claims the authority of Christ and apostolic succession, then calls it "divinely revealed." Dogma is the highest level of doctrine in the Catholic Church. It is revealed by God, infallible, and requires positive assent by Catholics. Again, I don't think you discuss things in good faith. You don't understand the ideas and beliefs of other religions, then you dismiss it when people of those religions tell you you are wrong about their beliefs. You call their explanations cop outs, excuses, and cognitive dissonance, and say that they pull things out of their asses as the source of some of their most cherished beliefs. As you might know from my avatar picture, I adore the Blessed Virgin Mary. Finally, we may be wrong, but we're not stupid. The brightest minds of western civilization believed in and argued for the doctrines of the Catholic Church. Wrong, perhaps, stupid, no way. Please be more respectful when disagreeing with others' cherished beliefs. As others on this board can tell you, the non-LDS Christians here try to do the same with your beliefs.

A black person murders another black person: "What is the deal with the blacks?" "What is the deal with the Mexicans?" "What is the deal with the Chinese?" How come no one ever says "What is the deal with the whites?"

Racist a bit??

You don’t understand what the Catholic Church means by public revelation. Your tone is aggressive and condescending. You are like anti Mormons who try to tell Mormons what they believe and are wrong.

I miss Mark, too.

I absolutely believe it is continual. God is the source of being and creates our being, just as the Son is begotten from the Father continually. He is not the clock maker of the deists.

Neither does the Catholic Church, as dogma can be, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, refined, understood better, and declared.

Do you believe in continuing revelation? or is the primitive Christian Church held to stricter standards than the LDS church when it comes to source material?

In the other thread, I pointed out how weird it is that you always focus on getting joy out of seeing other people finding out they are wrong. Over the years, you have also consistently discussed resurrected genitalia. That is also very weird, especially because you think it is some sort of gotcha. First, you act like Christians over the past 2000 years, including some of the most intelligent and educated minds of western civilization, never considered these things. Second, I’ll say it clearly: resurrected humans have penises and vaginas. Can we move on? Or do you still want to discuss genitals?

Why do you always post about how happy you are going to be to see someone find out they are wrong? It’s really… gross. No room for metaphors and figurative language in your life, eh?

You should hear the Grateful Dead talk about improvisation and the group mind, where they are simply observing the music play itself through them as one being. And don’t worry about Rush coming to your mind. The Grateful Dead comes to my mind in all sorts of threads 😁

Not every church necessarily claims that. And the Catholic Church doesn’t jump through hoops; it most definitely openly states it. You can read all about the Catholic Church’s history. How are we not open about our history? It’s the history of Europe. Which is an absolute shame. Which was absolutely wrong and terrible, as stated by 2 popes who condemned it and asked forgiveness. Earlier you spoke against presentism. You might consider that here, too. Also size and politics come into play. Finally, there were the Danites.

LDS friends, We've had a couple of these threads over the years, where Rory, me, Damien the Leper, and other Catholics discuss Catholic issues on your board. I just want to say thank you for letting us have a thread or two here and there when there are things that we wish to discuss in our religion, even though it is barely tangential to Mormonism (I use that term to encompass LDS teaching, practice, doctrine, and culture). Though I did enjoy Rory's half-joking idea that the SSPX are the Catholic version of restorationists Thanks!

I totally agree that the new mass isn't intrinsically irreverent. When priests follow the Vatican II documents, we're all good Do you remember when Pope Benedict XVI celebrated the Novus Ordo in Latin, ad orientam, chant, "smells and bells" and all? Sounds like you have a wonderful parish. Slow moves, as is the Catholic way. (But I'll still stick with FSSP )

Rory, where do you attend now? A traditionally minded diocesan parish? FSSP? The FSSP coming to my area was a godsend for me and others. I’m out of town this weekend, but I am curious if any who attend the SSPX chapel will come join us. My guess is no, but then again I don’t think anyone was expecting that harsh of a punishment coming from Rome.