Russell C McGregor Posted October 20, 2015 Posted October 20, 2015 http://www.sltrib.com/home/3075882-155/salt-lake-city-woman-is-first I notice that Ms Kelly has managed to get her name in the papers again. What authority does she have, that any actual Catholic would recognise, to lay hands upon anyone and ordain them a priest?
Popular Post bluebell Posted October 20, 2015 Popular Post Posted October 20, 2015 This seems completely weird to me. I can understand the idea of a symbolic ordination in support of women priests if that's what you believe, but I don't understand how someone can ordain someone to something they have no authority over. To me it would be like a group of LDS women getting together, giving each other the priesthood, and then going around pretending like it means something to the world. If the Catholic church is God's church, and if they hold His authority, then doesn't that mean that you can't usurp authority from it to bring about God's will? And I don't understand why a Methodist was presiding at ordination of a Catholic priest either. 5
mfbukowski Posted October 20, 2015 Posted October 20, 2015 (edited) error Edited October 20, 2015 by mfbukowski 1
Bobbieaware Posted October 20, 2015 Posted October 20, 2015 You guys are just old-fashioned! What's the matter with an ex- Mormon woman ordaining a Methodist woman to the Catholic priesthood? You gave me a belly laugh. Mark
Ginger Snaps Posted October 20, 2015 Posted October 20, 2015 Publicity stunt. The clock ran out on KKs 15 minutes and she's desparately trying to stay relevant. 2
mfbukowski Posted October 20, 2015 Posted October 20, 2015 You gave me a belly laugh. MarkDang- caught me! Unfortunately that's not what the story says, but it seems just as ridiculous as what I wrongly understood!
Bobbieaware Posted October 20, 2015 Posted October 20, 2015 Dang- caught me! Unfortunately that's not what the story says, but it seems just as ridiculous as what I wrongly understood!As jumbled up as this "ordination" was, who really knows who was being ordained to what? 2
ERayR Posted October 20, 2015 Posted October 20, 2015 And I don't understand why a Methodist was presiding at ordination of a Catholic priest either. And dear Kate too. Interfaith participation?
Scott Lloyd Posted October 20, 2015 Posted October 20, 2015 As I recall, one of the issues in Dehlin's disciplinary council (and we know about it because he opened it up the world to the extent he could) is that he had obtained some sort of mail-order or Internet ordination that gave him a license to perform somebody's marriage. Seems like authority is one of those concepts you lose your grasp on when you start to fall away. 1
Senator Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 Oh goodie, another p*** on Kate Kelly thread!
Scott Lloyd Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 Oh goodie, another p*** on Kate Kelly thread!We can be grateful for the right we all enjoy of not being obligated to read or participate in a thread we don't like.
Storm Rider Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 The reason provided that made this ordination acceptable to....I guess God, but really for women to serve women was: "We are disobeying an unjust law that discriminates against women in our church," Meehan said in an interview. "Our Roman Catholic women priest movement makes the connection that poverty, violence and abuse of women in the world is related to sexism in the church." Huh? Because you make the connection it is therefore acceptable? Must be freeing to just make up crap and arrive at a deduction because you made a connection. I see a connection between the anti-male groups and these nuns who want to be priests and KK being viewed as someone with authority to ordain anyone, much less a catholic.
Teancum Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 http://www.sltrib.com/home/3075882-155/salt-lake-city-woman-is-first I notice that Ms Kelly has managed to get her name in the papers again. What authority does she have, that any actual Catholic would recognise, to lay hands upon anyone and ordain them a priest?The priesthood of all believers?
Teancum Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 As I recall, one of the issues in Dehlin's disciplinary council (and we know about it because he opened it up the world to the extent he could) is that he had obtained some sort of mail-order or Internet ordination that gave him a license to perform somebody's marriage. Seems like authority is one of those concepts you lose your grasp on when you start to fall away.Or some don't hold to a High Church priesthood authority.And so what if Dehiln got some license to marry someone. Big deal. A JP who is a civil authority can marry someone. Odd that you would attempt to further smear Dehlin on a thread that has nothing to do with him. You must really loathe the man.
jkwilliams Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 We can be grateful for the right we all enjoy of not being obligated to read or participate in a thread we don't like. I for one am glad she's so popular here because I would never hear anything about her if people didn't keep starting threads. 3
bluebell Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 The priesthood of all believers?Catholics don't believe in the priesthood of all believers though. That's a Protestant doctrine.
Teancum Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 Catholics don't believe in the priesthood of all believers though. That's a Protestant doctrine.I know but apparently the participants in this event fo believe it.
Russell C McGregor Posted October 21, 2015 Author Posted October 21, 2015 The priesthood of all believers? Which is a distinctly Protestant notion, developed in opposition to the Catholic sacerdotal priesthood based upon apostolic succession.
Russell C McGregor Posted October 21, 2015 Author Posted October 21, 2015 Or some don't hold to a High Church priesthood authority. That's right. Protestants don't. But then, Protestants don't call themselves Catholic priests. And so what if Dehiln got some license to marry someone. Big deal. A JP who is a civil authority can marry someone. Odd that you would attempt to further smear Dehlin on a thread that has nothing to do with him. You must really loathe the man. So factually mentioning, just in passing, something Mister Dehlin did is an "attempt to further smear" him. I see.
Russell C McGregor Posted October 21, 2015 Author Posted October 21, 2015 Oh goodie, another p*** on Kate Kelly thread! You're entirely free not to read it. Or respond to it.
KevinG Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 Or some don't hold to a High Church priesthood authority.That is fine as long as you aren't simultaneously claiming to be active in your church in order to convert its members to your pet cause. 1
Storm Rider Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 The priesthood of all believers? Catholics believe firmly, as in it is vital to their doctrinal system, that their priesthood descends from Peter to the current pope. If you don't already possess authority you cannot ordain anyone to their priesthood. The article stated that a presiding Catholic bishop ordained the female bishop that also assisted in ordaining the priest discussed. The bishop was unnamed.
bluebell Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 I know but apparently the participants in this event fo believe it. Which is why it's weird! 1
Scott Lloyd Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 I for one am glad she's so popular here because I would never hear anything about her if people didn't keep starting threads.Well, if this board is your only source of news, I suppose that's true.
MiserereNobis Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 A woman cannot be ordained a Catholic priest, even if 1 or 100 bishops were involved. These people have become protestants -- breaking away from the Catholic Church yet claiming priesthood authority. A silly publicity stunt... yet it makes me smile that brings together Mormons and Catholics in mutual disdain 4
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