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  1. I Would assume the Utah Area Office is located at the church headquarters building, I letter addressed to the Utah Area Office sent to the office building address should get to the leader you are looking for. Hope this helps
  2. Which leader are you looking for?
  3. That may be your experience but it hasn't been my experience. I suppose it also depends on the personality of the people you are disagreeing with. I think a lot has to do with how you approach the issue. like anything else, there is a good way and a bad way. I remember one case that the IRS chief counsels office was sitting on a stipulated agreement for a while and not responding to my calls. I approached the supervisor and started asking if "John" was doing ok. If he had been sick a lot or had an unreasonable large case load. Then the supervisor asked my why I was asking, I told her that I was waiting a while for the agreement and I was worried about "John". She thanked me for informing her and by time I arrived at my office I had two voice mails from "John" and a package with the agreement was being overnighted to me. I supposed I could have called the supervisor complaining about "John" being a lazy no good attorney and should be fired, etc. I probably wouldn't have gotten the same results. When I have had a problem with a church leader, Usually I call the bishop's executive secretary (or stake presidents) ask for an interview and discuss why I feel something should be done differently I usually try to give the person I am disagreeing with the benefit of the doubt and assumes they had good intentions. It seems to go pretty well.
  4. It may have been harder in the past, but these days with the internet, It really isn't hard. The harder part is knowing that you can contact someone's supervisor. A lot of people get a No and stop there. Not just in the church, but in all aspects of life. I can believe that someone didn't think to go higher up a lot more easily than I can believe that they couldn't find the higher up. Often when I deal with IRS agents or attorneys I will just casually ask how the supervisor is doing. Casually letting them know that I know their supervisor goes a long way toward keeping things civil. Almost everyone has a higher up. The police officer that pulls you over has a supervisor. The IRS agent has a manager, the government attorney has a manager. The Judge has an appeals court. The Church has Bishop, Stake presidency, Area Presidency, Quorum of the Twelve, First presidency, all of who have secretaries and other people who's job is to facilitate communication.
  5. The idea that people don't represent themselves easily and often overlook simple solutions is the whole reason my profession exists. It is not at all hard to believe that people who are emotionally involved miss things. It may not be true in every case but I would say it happens more often than not. I suppose in this case Meadowchick can answer for her self whether or not she tried to contact the supervisor of the person she had a dispute with.
  6. I once used a stake president to go over a mission president's head. Its really not that hard. One of the first things I learned when I started representing people is "find out who the boss is" Everyone has a boss and just letting people know that you know who their boss is can help negotiations go better.
  7. I often see the same thing as SMAC in my practice. Someone can have a huge amount of emotional investment in their problem. The emotional gets in the way of the solution. I have often solved problems involving large sums of money fairly easily and inexpensively where my client has often spend countless hours and spent huge amounts of money trying to solve their problem. Often the only difference is I am not emotionally invested and can think clearly where my client cannot. This is a big reason for the saying that an attorney who represents himself has a fool for a client.
  8. The problem is that predators are really good at finding people who don't sense something is wrong (or wont act on it). It seems like hardly a month goes by without a report of some teacher or other committing child abuse even though most schools have much more aggressive anti abuse policies than we do. If stopping child abuse were that easy, we would have stopped it a long time ago.
  9. I have always thought the 2 deep rule was more "adult Protection" and "Church Protection" than "Youth Protection". People who would abuse children are not all that interested in observing rules in the first place.
  10. In the real world two deep leadership, while desired is not always possible. What would you do if you were on a youth activity and the other adult all of a sudden left? Run away screaming? Even if you canceled the activity and called all of the parents, it could still be quite some time before you had two adults present.
  11. Be careful what you wish for. When a bill or a piece of legislation is not specific and is vague, what you are really doing is leaving it up to a prosecutors and judges to make that decision. A law can never command a prosecutor to prosecute, but a carefully worded statute can limit the power of a prosecutor.
  12. Bright line tests are often used to make admiration easier and more uniform. There is no logical reason a person who is 15 years, 11 months and 27 days isn't mature enough to drive a car, but someone who is three days older can, but it makes administering the law easier and more uniform. Seriously, your brother can go back to church and vape if he wants to (as long as he isn't vaping in the building). No one is going to kick him out. Probably a lot of people with much more serious problems attending.
  13. Anytime someone uses the word "all" in a debate generally means someone is setting up a trap. There are nuance and exceptions to everything and one can come up with hypotheticals to negate the "all". However, generally I think that transsexuals who use medical treatments are ill to try and force their body to be more like they imagine their body should be are experiencing mental illness. (The Insurers and doctors seem to agree on this) People who self diagnose themselves may or may not fit the clinical definitions of Gender Dysphoria. As with any medical condition, there are varying degrees of the condition, from mild to severe. Transsexualism seems to start with the idea that one is not happy with themselves and their happiness depends on their bodies being altered to fit their perceived notion of the way their bodies should look like. I don't believe people who dislike their bodies to to the point that they are willing to mutilate themselves have good mental health.
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