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  1. Update: I got curious and checked out the 2 other counties they mentione. Arecibo also has an impossibly high vaccination rate (99% of the population with a normal age population distribution) and Chattahoochee is definitely wrong. It ranges anywhere from 99% to 15-20% vaccination rates depending who's counting and the average age there is 24. The demographics mean at least 5-10% of the population has to be under 12. I'm now seriously questioning this research. It took me just a few minutes to figure out that their examples of super high vaccination rates are super questionable for their accuracy in counting. The highest countries are all still in the 80% range. With luv, BD
  2. It mentions this: It also noted countries that have higher vaccination rates may also have a slight correlation with higher covid cases…which makes sense really. Countries that have a higher vaccination rate, tend to loosen covid restrictions they had in place. Which means with delta in the air whoever isn’t vaccinated and a number who are will likely get covid. i have several questions about the study. For example they note that the numbers of transmission are based in part on supply/demand factors. This is really important. For example, UT has a problem right now with demand artificially indicating we reduced case count, while percent positive has stayed steady and recently increased, indicating that the actual rate of transmission likely hasn’t changed much…people are just being less careful with it or likely assuming they have a cold or flu instead (particularly sense delta more resembles flu in mild cases compared to the og strain). Some other counties with super high rates of vax have me questioning the counties way of counting things. For example McKinley NM has an >99% overall vaccination rate…with a near 5% of it’s population under the age of 5. There’s no way that’s accurate. I chose it randomly but when I looked up articles on the county’s rate I found this articles explaining they’re really bad counting measure: here. Another tracking sit outside their numbers at 74%. Which is a large margin of error and would put that counting just a little above the country’s overall rate in a region that has a high risk for transmission. i doubt every county has these exact same problems, but they likely have concerns and individual circumstances that need to be taken into consideration for a study like this. The study is so broad in scope, I strongly doubt that was the case. The other thing I’m interested in is the county’s/country’s hospitalization and death rate. Most epidemiologists are shooting now more for an endemic scenario. Where there’s still cases, but not excessive flare ups/spikes that overwhelm medical services. This study doesn’t over that at all. with luv, BD
  3. Seems like a solid conclusion. i just had a FB friend report her husband and FIL are both in the hospital with low O2 scores and covid pneumonia and something is off with her husband’s liver from it. She’s doing better than them but is still very sick with several littles at home. (I met her because we had the same midwife and had some enjoyable convos when learning some homebirth stuff). She’s never outright said whether she’s vaccinated, but stated a few things and fits a few demos that makes me think she hasn’t gotten the jabs (and likely others close to her). Her and her husband are near my age (early-mid 30’s). Which fits delta’s trend of being far more contagious and more likely to effect younger pops. I feel bad for them. The more stories i heard like this the more I see the string of flawed thoughts/info that led them into excessively heavy and painful consequences. With luv, BD
  4. Don’t have time to say much or find the og article site. Number of children who’ve lost at least one parent/caregiver in the pandemic: https://apple.news/AQiU6udpBQhyiVP4ll7-1Hg
  5. I've followed the thread only here and there, so this may be repetitious, but wanted to respond to the part in bold. First I agree with others who note it's sometimes better for individuals to leave the church in order to find greater healing. I've seen it for varying reasons and honor that choice. I've only met a handful of people who fit into the category you describe. All of these were not close and were what they stated in semi-public forums (albeit usually small groups). All of them mentioned something close to what gillebre mentioned: a profound relationship with God and deciding to follow no matter what. The one that stuck with me the most was Tom Christofferson, who both noted the pain of losing his partner of 20 years, but had one of the most powerful testimonies of Christ I'd experienced at that point in my life. Later on I like to believe I experienced something (more mildly) similar to that...though in a very different manner. I was prompted over and over again to stay in a relationship that I knew was unhealthy. (this ironically was happening when I hear Tom Christofferson's testimony). It wasn't a short period either...it continued on and off again for years and I knew at some point in it that what kept me there were strong promptings by God to stay. It was miserable. But it also turned out to be a necessary fire to forge and change me for the better. Who I became after was so different than who I'd been and my relationship with God was cemented in a way I didn't know it could have been. I remember distinctly after it was all done that I was alone, but I wasn't lonely...I had been filled by God in a way I couldn't have without a painful journey. And It opened doors and capacities for me to continue to grow and become better now. Having a very healthy relationship now with a man I love, I very much realize just how big of a blessing that is in so many ways. But the experiences I had before meeting him taught me that what mattered most was my relationship with God. That said, I am no judge of another's promptings and I am not about to insist others do likewise. That is not a sacrifice I can ask or insist someone else make...doing so IMHO usually leads to a more inauthentic relationship towards God that can be more damaging than good. With luv, BD
  6. "glossing over" was more a generalized concern for when I've seen this come up. Though the countries you list are a good indication that the idea of what is assumed to be "reduced freedoms" are more likely differing means to managing a health crisis and isn't really a solid indication for whether or not a place is "free" or not. It's like saying a place has less freedom, because they are forced to listen to loud blaring horns and expected to move up hill to avoid a tsunami or that businesses were "forced" by the government to close in preparation for a hurricane. On both a democracy index and the human freedom index, Canada, New Zealand, and Australia continue to rank high. So high that canada and new zealand are in the top 5 for functioning democracy and all 3 are in the top 10 for human freedom. (see here and here) It is and isn't the same. The main themes of dissent aren't necessarily new concepts. There was vax hesitancy before covid, people concerned about big government, people skeptical about institutions, conspiracies, etc. What is distinctive (and concerning) is the greater spread and intensity with these. And that's concerning. With luv, BD
  7. Yes, it’s true that there are signs that governments using the pandemic as a means to consolidate power. But what’s glossed over is where and how. The greatest offenses are from nations that already had weakening democracies or were authoritarian in structure (See here). My problem with this line of concern is that usually people concerned with this are assuming that just about any form of mandates, regulations, restrictions, or safety measures are a sign of government overreach or encroachment on “liberties.” Whether one agrees with them or not, there is a strong difference between health related measures to curb a disease or legal pushes to fight misinformation and crackdowns on unwanted political groups or ethnic minorities and imprisoning/silencing dissent or journalists for covering unflattering news to bolster a strongman leader. with luv, BD
  8. Or a great day for addicts to social media who've said they've needed a break and never took it
  9. So why did you ask? If she got an exemption some other way, it’s a moot point what her cardiologist is saying. It’s at that point advice/recommendations that she can actively choose to ignore. She can’t choose though for the doctor to pretend there’s no need to give said advice. I’m not sure what feelings have to do with anything on assessing actual risk from covid. I also never assumed there was a generalized anti-vax feeling. Most covid vax resistant/hesitant don’t fit into the category of generally anti-vax crowd of yesteryear. With luV, BD
  10. We did, sorta. That’s why we went up to the sealing office to ask how many would be to a room for sealings before we got ready. That’s when I saw the two who weren’t really wearing a mask properly. My husband is generally very direct and mentioned our concern. They didn’t much respond to the concern itself but mentioned how many were to a room usually. It was after that we decided it was best we left. This was all before the announcement, which again is why I’m hopeful and willing to try one more time. with luv, BD
  11. I am concerned for my daughter, who has a genetic condition. I hold no concern at this point for me and my husband. I know the likelihood of her getting super sick directly from covid is minimal. But that’s not our main concern. It’s really easy to throw off her metabolic system. For reference, She got a fever last weekend from what we think was a mild ear infection and she needed to get blood work to double check her ammonia levels. Her specific variation of her genetic disorder is rare. I’m not really willing to mix novel disease with it if we can avoid it. Her doc’s agree. And I’m well oriented in the research and interventions for slowing covid spread (for the record I don’t think masking is useless). Both my husband and I work primarily from home since covid. The few clients I see in person are vaccinated, and I see them every other week. Last fall-early spring we saw basically no one in person. When we are in public with her, it’s brief and usually with larger gaps. The one exception was to a place that strongly regulated proper mask use and the summer when numbers got super low (and then, only outdoors or with small gatherings). This fall I will clip seeing the friends with school aged children till they’re vaccinated. It won’t be as bad as last year because we can still see most of my adult family who are all vaxxed. My daughter never comes to church with me…the YW were surprised to learn I have a kid. When I do go, I wait till everyone is in class, slip in the back door, and leave promptly, all while wearing a kn95 that I never remove. I more actively participated during the summer, I’m still debating how I’ll participate in the fall. I in no way have a false sense of security from the mere presence of a mask. Masks worn wrong are not comforting. I have names for different types of wrong wear styles: the barely counts maskers, nasal drips, chin-strappers, ear accessories, constant exceptions, and of course the freedom lovers for those proudly sporting nothing. I have become adept at noticing them all and work to avoid them/maintain distance in the one place I still frequently go to indoors: the grocery store. Plans have been carefully made around the factors of covid risk for each family/personal outing we make. This has been my life for the last 20 months. Which in part was part of my dejected sense at the temple. That stories like mine are lost to the crowd of those who resist or ignore safety measures or insist it’s their choice. and largely because of that, a place I used to associate with respite, is a place I felt uncomfortable and mildly anxious in. If they did their part, I likely would have more freedom of movement and ability to participate. Because they won’t, I have a heavier burden to carry in order to compensate for their “choice”. Which is also probably why I feel little when I hear their worries and reasons around masking. with luv, BD
  12. This is me guessing from my own perspective from the more cautious end of things (vaxx’d, mask in public, social distancing whenever possible, don’t attend church beyond 2nd hour every two weeks for my YW calling). With church - though it’s limited - there is still access to services if you don’t feel comfortable being around unmasked individuals for long periods of time. With the temple there isn’t. I used to attend the temple regularly. Pre-baby it was weekly as a temple worker and post I was just starting to think of ways to attend more often (goal was monthly) but we still had gone a few times. since covid i haven’t gone at all. last week was the first time we tried and we decided to leave because a good amount of patrons were unmasked. Most workers were masked proper, though two in the sealing office might as well not have been. I wasn’t offended, but neither of us felt comfortable with the idea of staying. we left and chatted outside the temple instead. I was definitely a little dejected though at first. I’m hopeful that with the change, maybe we can go again and try our luck. with luv, BD
  13. I can't say that I have. I know a couple that could likely fit that....though the ones I can think of are generally clients of mine. All of my closest friends are still definitely active. And I can only think of a handful that I know on FB who were active believers that later left period. I can't deem these as surprising or not because most of them I've had limited contact with for years. The others, it usually happened when they were pretty young (late teens, early 20's) and the circumstances don't fit this description. It wasn't sudden and only one would probably be deemed as somewhat surprising. I know plenty who've left or are not active, they just weren't overnight shifts....and weren't young families. My brother who recently left is the closest to this...he sprung it on us suddenly after pretending for months he was still "LDS" (without attending much, though) and hiding his doubts for at least a year before then...but he's barely 20 and dating a non-lds girl from a tight knit conservative non-denom family. And though the announcement was a surprise the decent was almost painfully classic. So not exactly the parameters you're painting. Of the ones I know that do fit it more, their reasons were a mix of having a conflict with what I'd personally consider a more cultural experience of church or culturally derived version of the gospel. One that I had, discussed some of the comments that she'd receive from her super conservative communities. I told her it sounded like she was in a cult (hyper-rigidity, super shaming language, very black-and-white thinking, a ton of blurring between culture and gospel, a ton of skepticism of outsiders, etc). The last straw was when they had a pregnancy scare and had to seriously consider abortion, which helped complete their decision for her to have a hysterectomy. Technically, policy wise, their reasons would fit into reasons to consider an abortion. But because that is rarely (if ever) discussed in the church, more pro-life and big-family voices are validated and stories that bolster that end-result are shared, they felt super out of step with their family and community. With luv, BD
  14. That you’re asking about a cardiologist who won’t support that decision, it should be fairly obvious why. Covid caries far more risks to the heart and cardiovascular system than the vaccine. It‘s not liability that’s a concern but her actual health and giving sound medical advice, which I assume if she’s seeing a cardiologist is already somewhat compromised. At best I would assume all that would change from most cardiologists about the vaccine is delivery, not the medical consultation. personally, with my daughter’s team of medical professionals, I’m not expecting them to be seeking out the Spirit in their recommendations for medical treatment. They’re not an ecclesiastical leader, they may not even be of my faith. It’s not their job or stewardship. What is their job is for them to direct me in medical knowledge that I likely don’t have because I haven’t been trained in said field. Our religious leaders have already given us guidance from a spiritual stance, both by example, unofficial, and official statements….all of which strongly encourage both trusting/talking to your doctors and getting vaccinated. So she could seek out a 2nd opinion from another cardiologist, but again I wouldn’t expect much difference in opinion on this. beyond that, it may be time for her to re-evaluate her decision and the information she’s used to bolster it. with luv, BD
  15. I don't think it's a perfect analogy, just sometimes the closest we have, at least when spoken from a more broad perspective. I've seen individual "good parents" act and parent in a fairly wide range. With luv, BD
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