BlueDreams

Just a note: i didn't do well with my copy and paste job. This is the last episode in the 9 part series. The overview given is pretty accurate for that last episode. They had two episodes just on women's blessings and healing rituals too, among several other angles to this topic. I'm going to try to link to the full series one more time: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxtDdds6EoqWjXTkVMzpECgw9ZqmR-YJq With luv, BD

The timeline also fits that same period too. I do wonder how much those two are connected

There's a great (far farrrr longer) series I just finished on women and priesthood history in the church that I would highly recommend to anyone interested in theses topics: Don't know if someone has referenced this before, but just in case not, plopping it down here. With luv, BD

This is a little sticky to not include some political context. There's been a rash of more islamaphobic campaigning recently in Texas around this region specifically. For example, I still have a texas area code for my cell phone, even though I don't live there and received a political flyer from a primary candidate broadcastingn about fighting so "sharia law" can be banned "nation wide." Note, this wasn't a whacko politician without a hope/prayer of winning out there politician, it was the incumbent primary campaign for a national seat. Beyond that, there's been fights against Muslim based private schools (several who meet state requirements were at first omitted from funding/programs that other Christian based schools were). And a fight about a planned community around a mosque and containing a said faith based school (it would not be a Muslim-only community, though) was likely the catalyst for much of this. So when I read this, my gut said likely discriminatory. Or at least circling around prejudice.

Weird thought, have you tried garlic chives? They're easy to grown and really do have a garlic taste to them. There's no goodd substitute for mushrooms though 😕

Caffeine is my lifesaver when I have a migraine. Ironically sugar cancels that out for me, so I have maté cocido with a Tylenol when that happens. Also have it on really bad nights of sleep. Like any medicinal plant/substance, I try to use it moderately. Partially because I don't want the dependency. Mainly because I know the effect shrinks if my body gets used to it and can end up backfiring. But nothing has been more effective in dropping my migraines than getting rid of cheese from my regular diet (I can have it a few times a year). I curse the day that i figured that one out. Even if I feel better. With luv, BD

I'm talking about the text not the practice when I say this. It should be noted much of the SAD diet especially isn't living up to those standards period. It's heavily processed, pulled early from all over the world, and often super out of season (the overall vibes of the wow is definitely more fresh and whole foods in their proper seasons), and super meat heavy (I'm not going to debate that comma placement). It also is marketed more for the few food we heavily subsidize to support big ag (see the warnings of why the WOW is given), and is extremely limited in food diversity (again a general sense focuses on a brought range of herbs and grains and plants). And the blessing tied to it as you point out includes being able to walk and not be weary/run and not faint, and have treasures of knowledge even hidden treasures. Excessive sugar consumption fails on so many of these things. ....not that I never eat it. We all have our points of hypocrisy or failure in living up to wisdom. 😋 With luv, BD

You Can also make a strong case that that's against the word of wisdom too.

Ehh. Grandma wants coffee in the morning with her breakfast when she visits for a long stay. A used coffee machine and some basic coffee isn't what I'd call a gift and it isn't even rocking the bank much. It's similar for me to when my husband buys more meat than we usually get when his sister and/or mom visit for longer stays. Or when we bought completely different food for his brother's family that neither of us would want to eat because it was too sweet/processed. Groceries ain't gifts. I'm not going to police what people think is a meal. Besides, I've been a health freak long enough to know that heavily disrupting people's diets can be very miserable for someone. I like my guests to be comfortable. With luv, BD

We did the same for my grandma when I was a kid. FWIW I definitely don't feel the same about coffee or tea as I do with drinking or smoking. With luv, BD

COMPLETELY guessing, since the only one who really knows is your wife. But I'm wondering if the kids buys drinks thing being fairly recent was a bigger concession than she cares to admit and this event triggered her hurt of having what she feels and values in life being compromised. Logically agreeing to something isn't the same as emotionally accepting it. Quick reaction: I've never done it. Though to be fair,I have very few family members who drink that I'm close to. The only one currently is my brother and his wife. But they drink SUPER rarely after their heavy drinking early years led to an episode of alcohol poisoning. We don't usually buy each others' meals or drinks. Personally I probably would have had a food, no drink policy mainly because I'm cheap and never buy drinks period. It's water 98% of the time. The 2% I'd probably be willing to buy an equivalent alcoholic beverage for someone too. That said, I do have more emotional baggage around drinking. I think my bro has a healthy limit now, but I've seen a ton of the negative consequences from drinking and they've been pretty harmful in just the short term consequences, let alone the long term health ones. For me it's not at the level of ice cream and more like buying someone a gun (if guns were cheap...I know they're not). Or cigars I guess too. I get that all of those are very different. But I have similar emotional reactions to them in my body due to values I hold and they're Things I've heard being bought as high-end gifts to somebody. I don't buy these for other people and don't enjoy being around them. I can handle all of these in limited controlled circumstances...but don't purposely seek them out. With cigars, they can make me feel sick from the second hand smoke, so I really try to avoid that. But I don't like guns and don't want them in my house. If someone open carried, I'd insist they store their gun in their car while visiting. If someone loves a good wine, I'd say cool... I don't got that here. There are things that are me specific in health or beliefs that I have no problem with happening around me or buying someone something different. I'm a vegetarian....my husband and family regularly eat meat. I don't eat dairy often. They do. I'm a health freak. Most aren't or interpret that differently. On these, there are very few hard lines on things. Minus chuckarama. I will not eat that overpriced crap anymore and will bow out of family dinners that happen there. (No offense to those who like it). But again these emotionally register differently. Not consistently so...not always logically so. But as I mentioned above, logic and emotional reactions are two very different beasts. I think the more consistent value is a live-let live attitude and a limit to accomodations and respect of differences. I can respect a different choice as long as it doesn't directly effect me and my sense of safety/health in some way. I don't expect people to be excessively accommodating to mine and my daughters dietary restraints on the regular. I get that they're extra and may be limiting to the group. I don't have a need to show respect for other's choices that I don't actually value. I show respect by not insisting they live by mine, not enabling theirs. And I engage and support the parts of their lives that I can readily participate in. But again. That's just me. I should also note, gift giving isn't my love language at all to begin with. So some of this is purely hypothetical. I also am fairly independent oriented. Social acquiescence doesn't come naturally for me and annoys me. So validating others in their life choices when I don't really value said choices equally feels weird. With luv, BD

This may sound stalkery, but I do remember your story. It's something that still bothers me that they still remain a strained relationship at best with you and your partner. But yes, I wasn't kicked out of my family. It's a little harder to pull off to a baby. My mon did try to have me adopted out and it didn't work out. But that was largely for the single parent thing for what they tell me. So usually prejudicial stuff around race in family comes out differently. Either before one is born in the parents' interracial relationships, in off-hand comments or criticisms growing up, or when you begin dating and begin looking outside your family for another. I can pull out a bit of all three in mine. Most of them relatively light, though never comforting. I should note my family may have many many flaws to them, but they don't proactively shun due to the differences in race, religion, or queerness. So that particular wound will never be mine. They've had opportunities to do so with any of those areas. That's not to say they're always good engaging with those...but they're just not that variation of bad either. Pretending "perfect" image over imperfectly relating is a family choice mine didn't make. I really am sorry yours did. With luv, BD

Sorry this took a bit. It's a busy week in a busy period of life. Cuz of that, I haven't been able to read most the posts past this one. So if this is redundant, I apologize. As MS mentioned I don't think it's a waste of time to have you write what you did. It's a needed opinion/experience, even if there's points I may diverge on. If name calling has subsided that would indicate at least some change in attitude. Name calling infers some sort of derisive or derogatory attitude. I'm not assuming perfection or uniformity in this. But I do think that's shifted, slowed, and in many places become completely unacceptable. I would say that's not the only thing that's shifted. Talks have shifted, dehumanizing language has shifted, expectations on what one can and can't be has shifted, tolerance levels have grown too. Again, not uniformly and not perfectly. But definitely better. Because of that, to a lot of your questions I think the response would be dependent on the ward. I don't say that hypothetically, but based on the experiences LGBT+ members I've listened to. Of course, most (all?) of those were US based. I would expect even more variation based on where in the world they were meeting, reflecting the local cultural moors and values. Personally, if I had a magic wand, I would hope for kindness and a welcoming attitude in all of the questioned hypotheticals. Also, You may be confusing my experiences with notatbm's (I can't think of a gossip experience I've had related to race. I'm pretty bad at being aware of drama around me and am a bit of a wet blanket to it since I tend towards humanizing responses). This is the part we probably would diverge a little on. I've mentioned before (eons ago, I'm sure) that I don't think gay is the new black exactly. There's overlap, namely in that they're a group of people that have faced prejudice and limitations in our church. But there's key differences and those differences are probably going to effect how things unfold. For example, though I disagree or have concerns with our policies around LGBT folk, there's still more access points for service and integration into a church setting than would have been available to someone who looked like me pre 1978. There was nothing I could do "right" that would give me access to spaces that you at points likely did have and other gay/queer members do currently have. This was the severest cut based solely on who you are, not what I do or express. The limitations now are more expression-based. That doesn't excuse them as acceptable, but that shifts how we think of them and what it means in terms of policies. This issue will also stay relatively the same size within the church and can be both more personal or distant depending to one's access to family or friends who are some variation of LGBT. That's again, going to effect the pressures to change and engage differently. lastly there is several positive doctrines/practices that contradict with full incorporation of, say, a gay married couple. This is near the reverse experience for the black priesthood band, where there were clearer scriptural edicts that contradicted varying policies and interpretations that supported the ban. I think this will take a reexamination of how we think of a number of doctrines and practices that we currently have to meet that. It will likely be more complicated than the more simplistic policy that policies around African descended members took. I want to say more, but this is tangential and may be its own thread. Besides it's highly speculative on my end and I'm running behind. I also disagree with your timeline. Maybe? Who knows....Things can shift rapidly. And this may be on the list of things that rearranges to a better policy faster than we presume. With luv, BD

That makes sense to me. I think my only hesitation with fundamentalist is that it's used in the common context of the flds faith (which is obviously very very different). But it does better match the fundamentalist protestant movements at the time better. With luv, BD

Dude, you're whitesplaining racism to a biracial chic like this is a novel concept to me or something. I get it. You did dating "wrong" in the sight of your lily white community. I often was the wrong for others (first out-of-wedlock child born of a black man In a mixed and complicated family is not exactly a winning LDS pedigree over here). But I'm not really interested in playing racism olympics. What I see from you is that your experience is frozen in time and place. You're quoting something 40+ years ago from a book most now likely haven't read as if it equally applies today. And you're assuming what people thought and did half a lifetime ago has not shifted, softened, or changed in any meaningful way. Monson and Peterson aren't even alive anymore. They've been replaced by people from diverse backgrounds. And monson showed signs of shifting from his previous views well before he passed. This is also ignoring any evidence that maybe, just maybe, things have changed in 40-50 years. Dismissing the GA's and 70 in particular doesn't make any sense. They're often doing much the grunt work in guiding areas in the gospel, their voices are the majority of the messages given in GC, and it's often from this pool that leaders may pick a new apostle. On my mission, I never had an apostle come to talk to our mission. I definitely had 70's come though. They put a lot of trust in the running of the church in the 70's and they've purposely moved to try and increase regional representation. They've also expunged references to some form of condemnation of interracial/cultural dating, replacing them with several quotes disavowing seeing interracial marriage as a sin and labeling any form of racial prejudice as a sin that one must work out via repentance. But again, none of that counts because you've pigeon holed leaders into the quotes and views that hurt/disgusted you as a teen 40 years ago. That's not fair to them or you. It just fosters bitterness and it ignores the good that has replaced several of our bad fruits. Are we perfect? No. Many of the things you mentioned echoed experiences I had dating 10-ish years ago (married "late" by mountain west mormon standards). But it has improved. It continues to improve. I'm sorry you can't see that. Being stuck in the past is a painful way to live. With luv, BD