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  1. I volunteered around 10 years ago. He did not make me a priority. I've long thought that if I had been a name scholar or had a colorful grievance story to exploit, he might have made an effort. Then after the Maxwell Institute stuff in 2012, I emailed him to take me off the candidate list. Later, I noticed that he had deleted my comments from the Coe interview, while leaving other comments from people who threatened to hire professionals to destroy my reputation. I wouldn't do an interview with Dehlin now. I was interviewed once by Bill Reel, before he turned, and once by FAIR. FWIW
  2. "No death before the fall" in an absolute sense, throughout all time and space everywhere in the cosmos? or "No death before the fall" in the dramatic garden story (which explictly involves figurative language for several things) and expulsion to a different kind of existence in a different kind of place where it takes quite a while before Adam is even appointed his reckoning? I think about how Adam and Eve wearing garments of skins is not just a bit of survival trivia, but in Temple language and symbolism denotes falling from an angelic realm to a mortal animal state. Putting on animal skins
  3. Regarding "I would also like to hear why believers should apply one standard of examination for non religious claims and hold religious claims to a completely different standard." I don't. See Ian Barbour, Myths, Models, and Paradigms: A Comparative Study of Science and Religion. https://www.religion-online.org/book/myths-models-and-paradigms-a-comparative-study-in-science-and-religion/ The Baloney Detection Kit 1. Wherever possible there must be independent confirmation of the “facts.” AKA Peer Review Helaman 9:1, Behold, when it came to pass that when Nephi had spo
  4. I read The True Believer back when I lived in California, around thirty years ago. Very much worth reading. However, the formal truth claims of the LDS faith represent something quite different. That is not to say that some LDS operate that way (consider the infamous 1945 Home Teaching Message), but the distinction between formal truth claims, and the proclivities of some overzealous and under informed members is extremely important. Take for instance, President Smith's response to the 1945 Home Teaching Message. https://www.sciencemeetsreligion.org/lds/dialogue-thinking.
  5. Richard Bushman wrote on the topic of objectivity and on the value of those who published through FARMS in an essay called "The Social Dimensions of Rationality" which you can find in several places on the web. He recognizes that to those who claim to practicing "objective science, the findings of Mormon scholar are necessarily polluted by their personal interest in the outcome." But he goes on to notice the critics of the notion of objective scholarship, who observe that "the pretense of objectivity is an exercise in self-aggrandizement. Objectivity disguises a play for power by those who
  6. On the notion of objectivity, Peter Novik, author of That Noble Dream, addressed a gathering of LDS scholars at a Sunstone (I have a transcript), and offered this: That is the Noble Dream. The reality is this: One of the things that led to Novick being invited to Sunstone was the publication Midgley's essay on "No Middle Ground." https://rsc.byu.edu/historicity-latter-day-saint-scriptures/no-middle-ground-debate-over-authenticity-book-mormon It turned out that those who invited Novick to speak hadn't actually read That Noble Dream: Objectivity and the American Histor
  7. Rajah says. Since I frequently refer to Sorenson, to John Clark's assessments of various models that characterisitically conclude that Sorenson fits the textual requirements best, and Poulson and Gardner, who largely follow Sorenson with some improvements, and Grover, whose geological expertise provides further support for the Sorenson model, I see the Grijalva as the best Sidon candidate. And other than the story of Limhi's explorers, in Sorenson's model (as opposed to Norman's and Magleby's model) the Usamacinta and Yucatan Penninsula does not figure in the movements described withi
  8. As far as mentioning the river goes, yes. That is why Poulson (check spelling, it shows how closely you are paying attention to details) made the point of searching the entire Western Hemiphere for candidate rivers. I think it of significant interest that his broad computerized search reduced the number of candidates to one. One reason that the Nephites didn't mention the Sidon on the Arabian journey is that they didn't encounter it there. That is reasonable. Right? But if the Nephites, after migrating to Zarahemla, which Sorenson places in the Sidon River Valley, don't concern the
  9. Looks like Allen's. John Clark did several evalutations of competing Book of Mormon geography prosals for the Review of Books on the Book of Mormon, including his important Key for Evaluating Geographies in RBBM 1, and reprinted later. Commenting on Allen's model, Clark made this notable comment: From FARMS Review 16:2, page 34, here: https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1617&context=msr The most frequent complaints about Sorenson's model involve directions, which Larry Poulson and Brant Gardner have both superceded, noting Mesoamerican concepts,
  10. Daniel Person points out that Kerry Muhlestein has just commented on the recent podcasts. https://interpreterfoundation.org/raising-the-abrahamic-discourse-an-essay-on-the-nature-of-dialogues-about-the-book-of-abraham/ And he observes that there are resources like this for those who prefer not to jump to conclusions, but rather, seek wisdom out of the best books. https://interpreterfoundation.org/scholarly-support-for-the-book-of-abraham/ FWIW, Kevin Christensen Canonsburg, PA
  11. It was http://bomgeography.poulsenll.org/ Best, Kevin Christensen Canonsburg, PA
  12. Regarding the Grijalva versus the Usumacinta as Sidon candidates, Larry Poulson went through the Book of Mormon for all passages describing the river, and then did a computer search of a 3D map of the Western hemisphere to find candidate rivers. He found one candidate that fit the Book of Mormon criteria, the Grijalva. His website has gone away, since his death. I saved it while it was up. After a detailed analysis, he concludes that: More recently, on the same question, the last section of Jerry D. Grover's Geology of the Book of Mormon concludes that the Sorenson model w
  13. Hi Steve, Earlier, I quoted Rhodes, who is well qualified to discuss the issue with authority. Here is another discussion from John Gee, who cites several different scholars who have discussed the appearances of the name Abraham in various Egyptian texts. https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/msr/vol7/iss1/6/ Here is about a third of footnote 35: Gee goes on to remark: "That the name refers to the biblical Abraham is both undisputed and indisputable when the papyrus mentions "Abraham, lsaac, and Jacob. "37 Nor is Abraham the only biblical figure to appear in the papyri, since
  14. And regarding Psalm 2:2, the Psalms are temple liturgy. As El Elyon to Yahweh, the LORD, so the LORD, Yahweh to the King and Annointed High Priest. The high priest is literally anointed with the name, and in rituals represents the visible presence of the LORD. He even wore a metal plate with the name on the turban on his head during the atonement rituals so as to make it absolutely clear who he represented. Representation and relationships are part of identity, but not the whole reality behind the representation. Is there really a profound theological problem there? FWIW, Ke
  15. Nevo commented: There is this: Which leads me to ponder and write this: The Dead Sea Scrolls came as a shock because they revealed an unexpected Judaism, something that the existing Old Testament and Post-Christian Jewish commentaries, the Talmuds, the Mishnah, and such, did not anticipate and did not prepare the scholars to expect. The LiDar survey came as shock because they revealed unexpected complexity beneath the junglesof Mesoamerica. And Joseph Smith's book came as a shock to Alexander Campbell, because it was not the way he would have arranged things if he we
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