Is there a covenant about wearing temple garments in the temple, if not, was there?

[mfbukowski]

2 hours ago, Calm said:

And does that work in humid climates?  I am guessing not, but perhaps?  I have only lived in Illinois and Kansas for humidity (the humidity I experienced in California along the coast was nothing compared to those two states) and never tried that but I have walked around in high heat and humity while 9 months pregnant and my gs being almost soaking wet were not cooling at the time.
 

Women also can’t do that to keep the bottom half cool.  They need not too dry, not too wet though more dry than wet is typically better for certain parts of our anatomy.

Omigosh.  I am a married man with 4 children.  I have lived in upstate New York and in New York City.

No, I suggest that one not use this idea north of the arctic circle either, especially in winter.

But liquid water can be hard to find there as well.   You have to shovel it first.

What has happened to common sense that this is even a topic??

If you feel something is an "obligation" with which you disagree, don't do it, ok?   Face the possible consequences or not, but use common sense.  Surprising that people actually need to be told that.   

I could not believe in a God that is so petty, and I don't .   

Edited April 3, 2024 by mfbukowski

[MustardSeed]

47 minutes ago, Stargazer said:

The Handbook agrees with you.

Interesting IME how it’s often other women who do the policing. 

[Tacenda]

2 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

Omigosh.  I am a married man with 4 children.  I have lived in upstate New York and in New York City.

No, I suggest that one not use this idea north of the arctic circle either, especially in winter.

But liquid water can be hard to find there as well.   You have to shovel it first.

What has happened to common sense that this is even a topic??

If you feel something is an "obligation" with which you disagree, don't do it, ok?   Face the possible consequences or not, but use common sense.  Surprising that people actually need to be told that.   

I could not believe in a God that is so petty, and I don't .   

I take umbridge to the bold!

[SeekingUnderstanding]

3 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

What has happened to common sense that this is even a topic??

It’s funny that your angst seems to be directed at posters in this thread instead of pedantic bishops and other church leaders policing the common sense way people wear their garments. 

Edited April 4, 2024 by SeekingUnderstanding

[mfbukowski]

17 hours ago, SeekingUnderstanding said:

It’s funny that your angst seems to be directed at posters in this thread instead of pedantic bishops and other church leaders policing the common sense way people wear their garments. 

I have never experienced such alleged bishops, except here.  No questions about garments, other than the mention in the recommend interview.  No questions about other delicate matters. 

No "policing" of anything, just a loving attitude without being "holier than thou", without pretending to be perfect, and admitting their personal foilbles.

Sorry that has been your experience, apparently.

I am also sorry that so many here that have had that kind of experience.  I have been a member only 45 years, though and have been a bishop myself and hung out with "church leaders", and never seen that.

 

[Calm]

44 minutes ago, mfbukowski said:

I have never experienced such alleged bishops, except here.  No questions about garments, other than the mention in the recommend interview.  No questions about other delicate matters. 

No "policing" of anything, just a loving attitude without being "holier than thou", without pretending to be perfect, and admitting their personal foilbles.

Sorry that has been your experience, apparently.

I am also sorry that so many here that have had that kind of experience.  I have been a member only 45 years, though and have been a bishop myself and hung out with "church leaders", and never seen that.

 

Youth get it the most, so if you didn’t grow up in the Church, it makes a difference.

[mfbukowski]

16 minutes ago, Calm said:

Youth get it the most, so if you didn’t grow up in the Church, it makes a difference.

OK well then I guess I was mis-trained when I became a bishop- or on the HC.  I never heard anyone suggest that those were appropriate discussions with the youth unless they had some problem upon which they sought advice,

[JAHS]

14 minutes ago, mfbukowski said:

32 minutes ago, Calm said:

Youth get it the most, so if you didn’t grow up in the Church, it makes a difference.

OK well then I guess I was mis-trained when I became a bishop- or on the HC.  I never heard anyone suggest that those were appropriate discussions with the youth unless they had some problem upon which they sought advice,

As has been said before, a lot of this depends on the individual Bishop. I have been a member for my whole life (70 years) and don't remember any really uncomfortable discussions. Guess I was lucky.

[Calm]

1 hour ago, JAHS said:

As has been said before, a lot of this depends on the individual Bishop. I have been a member for my whole life (70 years) and don't remember any really uncomfortable discussions. Guess I was lucky.

I wonder if being older help.  It may have hit a generation or two after ours (I am 65) and we were too old even as adults for anyone to worry about, lol.

[Stargazer]

I thought Sister J. Anette Dennis's general conference talk in the Saturday morning session today had a bearing on this discussion thread.

[bluebell]

6 minutes ago, Stargazer said:

I thought Sister J. Anette Dennis's general conference talk in the Saturday morning session today had a bearing on this discussion thread.

I loved when she spoke with authority about what the garment is and what it isn't, and why we wear them.  

[The Nehor]

Here we go. Here is the response on garments.

[Peacefully]

2 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

Here we go. Here is the response on garments.

Called it. As soon as President Oaks started talking about missionary attire, I told my husband this would be about wearing garments. He doubled down on wearing them. 

[Bernard Gui]

Q.E.D.

[why me]

On 3/30/2024 at 6:16 AM, Tacenda said:

https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2024/03/29/lds-church-steps-up-this-message/

Stumbled across this article about the church being more strict about wearing temple garments. In the SLTrib it mentions members don't make covenants in the temple to wear them. So basically is it just policy and the youth don't wear them day and night like people in my age group (sixties) have? Or not liking to wear them when working out at the gym etc. many youth wear workout type clothes all week and think it's fine to just wear garments on Sundays and at the temple or special occasions. 

There have been problems while wearing them for women who suffer yeast infections and also urinary tract infections from wearing the garment. I still wear mine at all times except maybe playing certain sports and swimming. 

So question, should there be a covenant involved or should we assume it's more policy? Or is there a covenant about wearing the garments in the temple? Now I vaguely remember there is something in the temple about wearing them. Is there? Or has there been and then something changed and then soon there was no mentioning it in the temple but maybe will be again since leaders are cracking down on the youth thinking they're free to choose when to. 

And if no covenants are made in the temple, should it be a choice? Or is policy enough to make one obey despite problems when wearing them.

I think that many people are choosing not to wear the garments. I haven't worn them in years. But I have noticed that many people are active but not wearing garments. I think that the lds church will stress the importance of garments and of course, they are important in the lds church. In the old days, they provided 'protection'. And created a sense of modesty at church meetings and in wearing clothing outside among the masses. But, it is still a matter of choice. No one is forced to wear garments. And unless one wears short, shorts or the hot pants of the 70s, no one notices. And no one cares in my humble opinion.

[why me]

16 minutes ago, Peacefully said:

Called it. As soon as President Oaks started talking about missionary attire, I told my husband this would be about wearing garments. He doubled down on wearing them. 

I think that church members were wearing immodest clothing in church or outside. And so, I can see the lds church trying to stress the importance of garments. It comes with the package. Other religions have clothing instructions too. In the orthodox jewish community and in the muslim community too the clothing can be quite modest and limiting. But in the lds community, it is not so strict about garments. It is still a matter of choice regardless of what was said at the conference.

[bluebell]

25 minutes ago, Peacefully said:

Called it. As soon as President Oaks started talking about missionary attire, I told my husband this would be about wearing garments. He doubled down on wearing them. 

He definitely stuck to the doctrine and didn't veer into any exception territory.

[Peacefully]

24 minutes ago, why me said:

I think that many people are choosing not to wear the garments. I haven't worn them in years. But I have noticed that many people are active but not wearing garments. I think that the lds church will stress the importance of garments and of course, they are important in the lds church. In the old days, they provided 'protection'. And created a sense of modesty at church meetings and in wearing clothing outside among the masses. But, it is still a matter of choice. No one is forced to wear garments. And unless one wears short, shorts or the hot pants of the 70s, no one notices. And no one cares in my humble opinion.

Yeah, I don’t think the church will ever police garment-wearing. 

[The Nehor]

3 minutes ago, Peacefully said:

Yeah, I don’t think the church will ever police garment-wearing. 

They don’t have to. The members will do it for them.

Teach them correct principles an easy and visual way to express piety and they will govern themselves police each other.

Edited April 7, 2024 by The Nehor

[JLHPROF]

"which you must wear throughout your life".

Doesn't sound optional.  🤷🏻

[CV75]

Is anyone being convinced by today's conference speakers (or their rebutters) to wear their garments less? More?

[Calm]

1 hour ago, The Nehor said:

Here we go. Here is the response on garments.

Sister Dennis spoke about them yesterday as well.

[why me]

44 minutes ago, JLHPROF said:

"which you must wear throughout your life".

Doesn't sound optional.  🤷🏻

However who actually cares what a member is wearing these days. There are a lot of musts but are many members do all the musts? I think that many members are just trying to survive life these days.

[MustardSeed]

Notably mentioned “they are not magic.” 

[Calm]

8 minutes ago, why me said:

However who actually cares what a member is wearing these days. There are a lot of musts but are many members do all the musts? I think that many members are just trying to survive life these days.

You haven’t taken the time to listen to podcasts on this, have you?