Is there a covenant about wearing temple garments in the temple, if not, was there?

[Raingirl]

1 minute ago, Calm said:

An additional layer all the time is not healthy for some people who tend to over heat like myself.

I have MS. With that, comes the inability to regulate my body temperature.  It can make me extremely ill. Wearing garments has never caused an issue this way. If wearing that thin layer of garments over my underwear is enough to cause me issues due to heat, then actually whatever I am wearing at that point would be too much. 
 

While I think there are definitely some ‘wrong’ actions when it comes to the wearing of garments, I believe everyone should make their own decisions regarding how they wear their garments. However, while you may protest the wearing of garments in addition to regular underwear, your experience does not apply to everyone, just the same as mine does not.  

[Raingirl]

4 minutes ago, Rain said:

When did you go through? I went in 89. My SIL went around 20 years ago. My friend went around 16 years ago and my daughter about 3. It wasn't till my daughter that they freely gave that you could choose. So I wonder how much is timing and how much the personality of the person giving instruction.

I think it’s a combination of timing and the personal beliefs of the person giving the instruction.  There are still women who insist that the bra must be worn over the garment. 
 

I went through in 2011. 
 

Garments are a weird subject. I’m five feet tall, and I’ve had women who are much taller than me, brag to me that they buy petite bottoms so that they can wear the shortest skirts possible. I’ve never understood why they feel compelled to tell me that!

[Raingirl]

23 minutes ago, Calm said:

No, given how many members try hard to do what’s right, specific details about what is allowed should be given imo if there are actual rules and if not, that should be made clear too.  I would hope they make specific instructions part of training for temple workers these days because you get people adding their own thing.

My experience with oddness was I was never to let my garments touch the ground.  That was impossible unless I laid down on my bed to get dressed for me as my balance has never been that great.  An older friend insisted we must never treat garments as laundry, if they were not on our bodies, they should always be carefully folded even if dirty, waiting to be washed.

I’ve heard the must never touch the ground mandate, as well. I think I’ve also read it somewhere, but couldn’t say where. 

[ZealouslyStriving]

https://www.ldsliving.com/what-the-church-has-actually-said-about-wearing-temple-garments/s/10219

[mfbukowski]

17 hours ago, MustardSeed said:

Is this an official purpose? Or a convenient one? Because if I’m planning illicit activities I’m not putting on garments that morning- or if I did, my ill intent will not be thwarted by fabric .  The decision to stomp on my own commitments happened long before the point I’m removing my draws. 

Illicit activites are sometimes unplanned.   But mostly in movies.

No, that is not official. You can plan them if that's how you like them.

I forget chapter and verse...

 

[bluebell]

1 hour ago, Rain said:

So this is a question I thought of: if you don't know you are making a covenant have you made one? My answer would be no or at least God wouldn't hold you to it, but I'm not so sure others would feel the same way.

If you find out later it was supposed to be a covenant is it retroactive? Meaning are those people now required to do so? What if they never go to the temple again because they didn't know this at the beginning? 

I'm not sure.  I don't think that I ever viewed wearing garments as a separate covenant, but assumed it was a part of being endowed, and per the instructions given I knew that I by being endowed and accepting the garment I was agreeing to wearing it most of the time.

I'm glad they are speaking more about it now.  

[Calm]

1 hour ago, Raingirl said:

I have MS. With that, comes the inability to regulate my body temperature.  It can make me extremely ill. Wearing garments has never caused an issue this way. If wearing that thin layer of garments over my underwear is enough to cause me issues due to heat, then actually whatever I am wearing at that point would be too much.

I have tried endless variations, ordered custom made garments (pretty easy to do or it was, I encourage anyone who has a fabric that works for them but don’t like the style to call SL and see if they will make the desired style in the desired fabric, didn’t cost anymore, took about 6 weeks to get iirc), and whatever the reason, any layers of any fabric causes heat issues for me so I have to keep minimal layers or run into problems. About the only thing that might work I am guessing is to get ones that are so loose they practically fall off, but those aren’t practical for other reasons.  I have some claustrophobia, so maybe that triggers anxiety, which triggers the rest…but I doubt it as I don’t really feel the extra layers if I am wearing pants and don’t really think about it once dressed the vast majority of time (which can cause its own problems, lol).  Sleeping in them is another issue.  Not even distraction I guess from the clinginess.
 

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However, while you may protest the wearing of garments in addition to regular underwear, your experience does not apply to everyone, just the same as mine does not.  

Of course, that is why I said “some”.  

Edited March 31, 2024 by Calm

[The Nehor]

I don’t like garments most of the time. Messes with ADHD sensory issues.

Going to temple only would be a huge relief.

[MustardSeed]

I got endowed in 1990 and apparently in comparison to other peoples experience, my matron was Hard Core.  I truly felt like I was going to burn forever if I ever let my garments touch the ground or if they were ever worn incorrectly such as with the bra underneath. 
Even to this day, I do not differentiate between what is a covenant, and what is a directive given in the temple. They are all simply rules that must be repented if we do not follow with exactness. I’ve always been uncomfortable going to ward Temple night when there’s so much chatter because I was taught to be very quiet, especially in the celestial room.

Since discovering that the original garment directive I was given really probably came from one woman’s personal opinion, I have examined the way that I wear the garment completely differently than I used to. I wear them all the time. But sometimes, the activities that I’m doing don’t make sense to have them on. So I put them back on when I’m done. It works for me. And I’m pretty sure nobody’s ever going to accuse me of dressing too scantily.  🤪

[JAHS]

2 hours ago, Rain said:

She is right about that, but so many of us were instructed to wear it over.

When I went through with my friend I had heard rumor that they had changed that rule, but the woman instructing did not mention how it should be done. I asked about it and the sister got pretty uncomfortable and said they don't tell people how to do it - one should work it out for themselves.

Then there is the issue of nursing mothers. Never having been one I'm not sure which way is better. 

[MustardSeed]

17 minutes ago, JAHS said:

Then there is the issue of nursing mothers. Never having been one I'm not sure which way is better. 

My daughter just had a baby and hasn’t worn a garment top since she gave birth. She will get back to it when feedings get less insane. 

[Calm]

2 hours ago, JAHS said:

Then there is the issue of nursing mothers. Never having been one I'm not sure which way is better. 

I never had to wear nursing pads (had plenty of milk, it just stayed put till called upon), so if I had been wearing my garment top under the bra, it may have stayed clean, but I know plenty of new mothers who were carting around extra tops and talking about how difficult it was to find a place to change with a baby along, even with nursing pads.

My guess is nursing pads are more likely to stay in place if the bra is next to the body.  The pressure the bra provides that helps the milk not drip, seems like it would be more consistent, but don’t know.  Bigger clean up issue , I am guessing if the bra isn’t next to the body and it’s that garment instead.

Edited March 31, 2024 by Calm

[Calm]

1 hour ago, MustardSeed said:

My daughter just had a baby and hasn’t worn a garment top since she gave birth. She will get back to it when feedings get less insane. 

My son would be more interested in what was going on around him than in what he was drinking, so his head would be cranking this way and that and invariably his mouth would lose its grip and things would get messy.  Always had a towel under me with him.  Nope, a blanket over the head only made him mad.  I also had to time it because if .i didn’t pay attention once he hit 7 minutes that was that and I could be left with one side in agony.

It was quite the draining experience.  🤣

[Tacenda]

3 hours ago, The Nehor said:

I don’t like garments most of the time. Messes with ADHD sensory issues.

Going to temple only would be a huge relief.

I wear mine but find it exasperating when some of the most modest shirts don't cover my garment neckline. 

[CV75]

On 3/30/2024 at 12:16 AM, Tacenda said:

https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2024/03/29/lds-church-steps-up-this-message/

Stumbled across this article about the church being more strict about wearing temple garments. In the SLTrib it mentions members don't make covenants in the temple to wear them. So basically is it just policy and the youth don't wear them day and night like people in my age group (sixties) have? Or not liking to wear them when working out at the gym etc. many youth wear workout type clothes all week and think it's fine to just wear garments on Sundays and at the temple or special occasions. 

There have been problems while wearing them for women who suffer yeast infections and also urinary tract infections from wearing the garment. I still wear mine at all times except maybe playing certain sports and swimming. 

So question, should there be a covenant involved or should we assume it's more policy? Or is there a covenant about wearing the garments in the temple? Now I vaguely remember there is something in the temple about wearing them. Is there? Or has there been and then something changed and then soon there was no mentioning it in the temple but maybe will be again since leaders are cracking down on the youth thinking they're free to choose when to. 

And if no covenants are made in the temple, should it be a choice? Or is policy enough to make one obey despite problems when wearing them.

I interpret from the ordinance that there is a covenant about this, and how it is kept in relation to practical limitations is between the individual and God.

[SeekingUnderstanding]

32 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

I wear mine but find it exasperating when some of the most modest shirts don't cover my garment neckline. 

I always thought it was dumb that men’s garments look like a t shirt where no one cares if they show when a man’s top collar is undone, but women’s are not. You have to wear the garment. Then an undershirt to cover the garment. Then a blouse on top…

[JAHS]

1 hour ago, Calm said:

I never had to wear nursing pads (had plenty of milk, it just stayed put till called upon), so if I had been wearing my garment top under the bra, it may have stayed clean, but I know plenty of new mothers who were carting around extra tops and talking about how difficult it was to find a place to change with a baby along, even with nursing pads.

My guess is nursing pads are more likely to stay in place if the bra is next to the body.  The pressure the bra provides that helps the milk not drip, seems like it would be more consistent, but don’t know.  Bigger clean up issue , I am guessing if the bra isn’t next to the body and it’s that garment instead.

More information than I needed 😄  But I am sure other mothers would relate.

[MustardSeed]

51 minutes ago, JAHS said:

More information than I needed 😄  But I am sure other mothers would relate.

Perfect example of why it’s important that women are the ones to determine what kind of undergarment we should be wearing.

Edited March 31, 2024 by MustardSeed

[The Nehor]

2 hours ago, Calm said:

I never had to wear nursing pads (had plenty of milk, it just stayed put till called upon), so if I had been wearing my garment top under the bra, it may have stayed clean, but I know plenty of new mothers who were carting around extra tops and talking about how difficult it was to find a place to change with a baby along, even with nursing pads.

My guess is nursing pads are more likely to stay in place if the bra is next to the body.  The pressure the bra provides that helps the milk not drip, seems like it would be more consistent, but don’t know.  Bigger clean up issue , I am guessing if the bra isn’t next to the body and it’s that garment instead.

Yes, I have known women who took similar precautions.

[mfbukowski]

What's the deal with making your own g's? Assuming you have the ability of course!

[Calm]

27 minutes ago, mfbukowski said:

What's the deal with making your own g's? Assuming you have the ability of course!

Modifications from the Standard  

It is pretty clear they intend to use garments as a way to make decisions about what clothing is chosen limited to more coverage, to  encourage that particular view of ‘modesty’.  Even though there are no markings on the sleeves, instructions forbid rolling or folding them over.  They have gone to a cut that removes excess fabric under the arms but still insist on the sleeve.

It would be very nice if you could convince leaders to allow this (making their own) again.

Edited April 1, 2024 by Calm

[mfbukowski]

1 hour ago, MustardSeed said:

Perfect example of why it’s important that women are the ones to determine what kind of undergarment we should be wearing.

Trust me, men have the same types of problems.  Both have troubles with body-parts fitting the cup shapes provided. 😏

[longview]

2 hours ago, Tacenda said:

I wear mine but find it exasperating when some of the most modest shirts don't cover my garment neckline. 

You just aren't AMISH enough!  😃

[Calm]

8 minutes ago, longview said:

You just aren't AMISH enough!  😃

I have one garment top that only works with a completely button up shirt since I don’t do turtlenecks (too short a neck already).  It is ridiculous.  I don’t have tight waistbands so it slips up and creeps up.

Edited April 1, 2024 by Calm

[Calm]

38 minutes ago, mfbukowski said:

Trust me, men have the same types of problems.  Both have troubles with body-parts fitting the cup shapes provided. 😏

Are you saying it won’t help?

Their marketing strategy of just keeping a few of the most popular styles to keep prices down (I can’t imagine why else they would only have a few styles and fabrics) is indeed set to fail probably most of the time.

I feel bad I feel kind of relieved the Church isn’t centered in another continent where women are shorter and have typically very different body shape than my own and I would be the one struggling to make do.  At least it mostly works for me.

Edited April 1, 2024 by Calm