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  1. "Everyone in the queer Mormon community was afraid something like this would happen because the dangerous rhetoric of Mormon leaders, combined with a highly armed population, is volatile," "As a former Mormon missionary, I recognize a clear connection between the murderer's actions and the church's teachings," Kelly said. Incredibly irresponsible to say such things. Inciting greater contention, while the Church is trying to reduce the contention, while still defending the doctrines.
  2. Wow! Horrible article. But it is by Newsweek so I guess it is to be expected. Colorado Springs Shooting Is the Moment Mormons Dreaded
  3. The word "needed" is dependent on each individual's point of view and opinion. I don't think it was needed, but having it all is.... interesting, as Spock would say.
  4. Presentism - "uncritical adherence to present-day attitudes, especially the tendency to interpret past events in terms of modern values and concepts." A person has to actually have lived in and experienced what happened in the past to rightfully be able to pass judgment on what people did back then. People call it racism and maybe it was, but it reflects the conditions and attitudes of the people in the past and so therefore back then was not considered something that was as wrong as we think it is now.
  5. The Church did not sponsor black congregations because blacks were not segregated into separated congregations. They worshipped together with the white members. That sounds less racist to me rather than "sponsoring" black congregations.
  6. I think though the Church felt it had a legitimate case with Plural marriage being an important part of their religious beliefs and should therefore be protected and supported by the first amendment. To them it was prudent to follow God's command even if the principle was not popular in the world.
  7. I think it was simply not prudent for the Church at that time to treat the blacks as equals. There would not only have been pressure from the outside but from the inside as well, since at the time most people, including many church members, regarded them as nothing more than slaves. Kind of like how the word of wisdom evolved. President Joseph F. Smith taught that the Lord did not insist on strict compliance in the early years in order to allow a generation addicted to noxious substances some years to discard bad habits. Similarly the church and the world needed time to temper their racist attitudes before they could accept the blacks as equals.
  8. The only statement I see is what the Church reports on thier website for the effort. See Where Your Giving Machine Donation Is Going (churchofjesuschrist.org)
  9. It seems to me the different donation categories are meaningless, except to note how much tithing one has paid. I'm with you. I'm far less inclined to give fast offerings anymore. The church does keep track of how much a ward donates in FO and pays out for members. So it's not completely meaningless. The money still has to come from somewhere.
  10. Marriage Certificate for Graham Coltrin and Fanny Davis, 22 June 1839, Page 1 (josephsmithpapers.org) They sure had much better handwriting skills than I ever had. ETA they even show the backside of the document
  11. "reasonable efforts" takes too much effort? Easier to just put it all in one bucket at the start and use it wherever it is needed.
  12. I don't think the BOM said they were always nearly-naked, except when they were fighting during perhaps warmer months. These more modern lamanites look well prepared for the cold. I would think the BOM Lamanites also knew how to use animal furs to keep warm.
  13. In our efforts to find the actual place where the Book of Mormon took place it would be hard for us to know exactly what the lands looked like back at that time based on current maps, since the whole face of the land changed at the time of Christ's crucifixion: 3 Nephi 8 "And there was a great and terrible destruction in the land southward. But behold, there was a more great and terrible destruction in the land northward; for behold, the whole face of the land was changed, because of the tempest and the whirlwinds, and the thunderings and the lightnings, and the exceedingly great quaking of the whole earth; And the city of Moroni did sink into the depths of the sea, and the inhabitants thereof were drowned. And the highways were broken up, and the level roads were spoiled, and many smooth places became rough. And many great and notable cities were sunk, and many were burned, and many were shaken till the buildings thereof had fallen to the earth, and the inhabitants thereof were slain, and the places were left desolate." All these changes to the earth could make it near impossible to determine the exact place it all happened.
  14. But were any of those forms of polydomous marriages considered new and everlasting covenant of marriage?
  15. There is the North America Great Lakes area. I have heard of some pretty wild ones like the Baja peninsula and even the country of Japan.
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