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  1. Because that's what the scriptures and prophets have revealed. At least to those who accept scripture and prophets. After a few discussions with those who believe the opposing view I don't fully understand their approach.
  2. This "nothing between me and God" idea continues to gain popularity. The problem is that there is ample gospel evidence that it's being taken too far. Certainly there is nothing preventing us from praying to our Father and having prayers answered or blessings given. But there will always be someone between us and God. And then probably a chain of people too.
  3. It can be both an allegorical temple play AND a representation of the historical events. There's definitely a bit of both in the creation accounts. The allegory is probably why they differ a bit on some details.
  4. Which has doctrinal repercussions in my opinion. It completely defeats one purpose of the endowment. 🤷
  5. What we call Genesis/Moses is actually a record of Moses receiving his endowment on the Mount. Not him recording oral history/myth as many assume. Likewise the Abraham creation account.
  6. The first endowments were in Joseph Smith's office and storehouse above the Red Brick Store.
  7. Baptism and sacrament can be performed anywhere if there is a need and it's authorized by those presiding. Baptisms for the dead were performed in the Mississippi until a font was made available. Endowments were performed on mountain tops, in endowment houses, in offices, etc before temples were finished. Prayer Circles and Mother's Blessings (anointings) were performed in chapels for decades. Marriage sealings were frequently performed outside of temples when none were available. The work continues and the Lord accepts ordinances outside of chapels and temples if there is not a reasonable alternative. Better than no ordinance work at all.
  8. And President Woodruff loved coffee, as did J. Golden Kimball.
  9. Nothing after the cola backpedal a few years ago.
  10. The substances themselves are not iniquitous. Wine isn't evil, Christ drank wine. Pork isn't evil/unclean. Eating a steak in July with a side of lobster violates the old law and the WoW. Neither are iniquitous items.
  11. Member: "The Word of Wisdom is beneficial and based in scripture. You shouldn't have a problem with it as a rule." Critic: "Our issue is with the way you only follow select parts and ignore others, add new rules, and science/health fact have no bearing on it." How many times do we have to do this dance? WoW is an obedience test, not a purification policy.
  12. I joked with my wife once about a house for sale we knew had a troubled family past. I said we'd have to dedicate it at least three times if we bought it. The existence of good and evil spirits are absolutely part of our religion.
  13. Go right ahead. I have no doubt that there are evil spirits, Christ certainly said there were. That's not just LDS, but basic Christianity. "The very day we entered that house it was filled with evil spirits, who sought to destroy us. We felt their power day after day. They did not particularly injure us at that time, but we knew they were with us. The incident that I am going to refer to now occurred after Brother Kimball had returned to Manchester. Brother George A. Smith and myself were left there. We sat up one night till about 11 o'clock, talking about the Gospel of Christ, and then went to bed. The room in which we slept was small; there was about three and a half feet between our cots. Those spirits were gathered together in that room and sought to destroy us. They fell upon us with the determination to take our lives. The distress, the suffering and the horror that rested upon me I never experienced neither before nor since. While in this condition a spirit said to me, "Pray to the Lord." Well, a man in that kind of warfare, when he is choking almost to death, is in a peculiar position to pray. Nevertheless I went to praying with all the power I had. I knew we would die unless God opened some door for our deliverance, because we were being choked to death, and I prayed the Lord, in the name of Jesus Christ, to preserve our lives. While I was praying, the door opened and three messengers entered, and the room was filled with light equal to the blazing light of the sun at mid-day. Those messengers were all dressed in the robes of immortal beings. Who they were I know not. They laid hands upon me and my companion, and rebuked those evil powers, and we were saved. From that hour to this day, not only our lives were saved, but those powers were rebuked by the angels of God so that no Elder since has been tormented with them in London." Collected Discourses, Vol.5, Wilford Woodruff, October 5, 1896 "I had been sleeping on the back of the bed. I immediately arose, slipped off at the foot of the bed, and passed around to where he [Elder Russell] was. Elder Hyde threw his feet out, and sat up in the bed, and we laid hands on him, I being mouth, and prayed that the Lord would have mercy on him, and rebuke the devil. While thus engaged, I was struck with great force by some invisible power, and fell senseless on the floor. The first thing I recollected was being supported by Elders Hyde and Richards who were praying for me, Elder Richards having followed Russell up to my room. Elders Hyde and Richards then assisted me to get on the bed, but my agony was so great I could not endure it, and I arose, bowed my knees and prayed. "I then arose and sat up on the bed, when a vision was opened to our minds, and we could distinctly see the evil spirits, who foamed and gnashed their teeth at us. We gazed upon them about an hour and a half (by Willard's watch). We were not looking towards the window, but towards the wall. Space appeared before us, and we saw the devils coming in legions, with their leaders, who came within a few feet of us. They came towards us like armies rushing to battle. They appeared to be men of full stature, possessing every form and feature of men in the flesh, who were angry and desperate; and I shall never forget the vindictive malignity depicted on their countenances as they looked me in the eye; and any attempt to paint the scene which then presented itself or portray their malice and enmity, would be vain. I perspired exceedingly, my clothes becoming as wet as if I had been taken out of the river. I felt excessive pain, and was in the greatest distress for some time. I cannot even look back on the scene without feelings of horror; yet by it I learned the power of the adversary, his enmity against the servants of God, and got some understanding of the invisible world. We distinctly heard these spirits talk and express their wrath and hellish designs against us. However, the Lord delivered us from them, and blessed us exceedingly that day." Life of Heber C. Kimball," pp. 131-132.
  14. No, but they may make you cynical or negative about things of God...oh wait
  15. Well you can hardly be surprised that religious people disagree then. And what we accept as reality will always influence our approach to situations. I happen to be very convinced that there are many spirits, good and evil, at work on a daily basis in our lives. And what is described as "dysphoria" when there is no medically identifiable mental cause (neurobiology etc) is as likely to be the influence of a false or delusive spirit as anything else.
  16. I don't see that as any more radical than pumping a 12 year old full of hormones to change the progression of puberty and preparing them to have body altering surgery as soon as legally possible. Because they feel discomfort with their biology. Labelling any approaches as boogeymen don't work spiritually any more than they do medically. And there are always extreme approaches to everything.
  17. So you don't believe in spirits? Good or evil?
  18. Diagnosing it is generally a personal issue, although the spirit of discernment is a gift of the spirit many are given. Other spirits, not particularly invited or desired, gain an easy access to those who are careless, heedless, and but too indifferent to the statutes, ordinances, and duties of God’s kingdom; who neglect their prayers, their assembling together, and doing as they would be done unto; and from these spirits arise contention, strife, evil thinking, evil speaking, evil surmising, detraction, revenge, law-suits, and a host of such perplexing annoyances, sufficient to disturb a nation; but the man who is obedient to his God in all things, who knows no will of his own, only to do the will of his Father in the heavens, is free from these spirits; the Devil has no power over him, for he resists him, and evil spirits are compelled to flee at his rebuke. Some may ask, “How shall I know when I am operated upon by a false spirit?” There are many keys by which the door of knowledge is unlocked to the Saints in relation to spirits, as well as other things pertaining to the kingdom; but one may suffice at the present time, for we have not designed this brief notice to cover all or any considerable portion of the ground which the subject includes. The spirit of heaven is a spirit of peace, joy, comfort, consolation, and knowledge to its possessor, and all Saints who have enjoyed this spirit, (and all Saints have more or less) may know when this peaceful spirit dwelling within them is disturbed, that something is wrong, that some false spirit is lurking within or about them, striving to enter; and if they will resist the first impulse of their disturbed feelings and command Satan in the name of Jesus to depart, peace will instantly be restored to their souls. (That's as accurate a description of "dysphoria" as I've read.) It is not the wrong doings of others that destroy that peace within ourselves which the world can neither give nor take away; it is our own wrongs which cause that peaceful spirit to leave us; and would to God that His truth were indelibly imprinted on the heart and recollection of every Saint. It is your own wrongs or evil spirits that destroy your peace, and not the wrongs of your friend or neighbor. Know ye, all ye Saints, if the peace of heaven and a foretaste of the blessings of the celestial world are not continually with you, there is something wrong within; some foul spirit has got possession of yourself, and the quicker you dispossess it, the better. Elder Willard Richards Millennial Star, Volume 14, pp. 277-280 I Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; I Corinthians 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: Diagnosing spiritual illness might present issues, but that doesn't mean they don't exist every bit as much as mental illness and physical illness. I absolutely believe that much of society's ills today come from spiritual illness and false and delusive spirits convincing them of things that God did not intend.
  19. I don't know about Christ but Paul specifically taught it in Romans. "21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good."
  20. Is there such a thing as a spiritual illness?
  21. Catholic - I take great comfort and feel closer to the divine through sacred rite and ritual. Protestants often consider them dead works. They couldn't be more wrong. And I can have a degree of holy envy for centuries of faithful obedience to these traditions.
  22. "God created man, as we create our children; for there is no other process of creation in heaven, on the earth, in the earth, or under the earth, or in all the eternities, that is, that were, or that ever will be." Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 11:122. “If we are his offspring, then how did we become such, if we had no mother to give us spirit birth?” Joseph Fielding Smith, Answers to Gospel Questions 3: 143. "Admitting the entity of the capacities, then the materials of which our spirits are composed, must have been capable of thinking, moving, willing, &c., before they were organized in the womb of the celestial female." Orson Pratt - The Seer
  23. David was given those wives by Nathan the prophet at the direction of God. Not as political spoils of war. Not commanded, blessed.
  24. That's not even Biblical. The New Testament is replete with statements that prophecy and prophets will continue long after Christ's death and resurrection. The New Testament also accurately describes the future apostasy and restoration prior to the return of the Savior.
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