Is there a covenant about wearing temple garments in the temple, if not, was there?

[MustardSeed]

Hopefully reasonable changes will be made to the garment to make the practice of wearing them more comfortable for women so that the younger generation will comply and receive the blessings of the temple garment, as well as older folks who would benefit as well. 

[Rain]

1 hour ago, bluebell said:

Did everyone else get the new temple recommend interview questions and blurb on wearing garments read to them over the pulpit today in sacrament meeting?  Our bishop said he was asked to read it but I wasn't sure if it was just our Stake or church wide. 

Kind of interesting since I don't think they've ever done that with the other interview question changes they've made over the years.

Nope.

[Peacefully]

3 hours ago, bluebell said:

Did everyone else get the new temple recommend interview questions and blurb on wearing garments read to them over the pulpit today in sacrament meeting?  Our bishop said he was asked to read it but I wasn't sure if it was just our Stake or church wide. 

Kind of interesting since I don't think they've ever done that with the other interview question changes they've made over the years.

I was late so I may have missed it. 

[Calm]

Didn’t happen in my ward, though I just went for a recommend interview an hour ago as it happens and he mentioned it was changed, etc there.

The interview was painless.  He had asked about what was going on in my life so I had shared a little of the health struggles, so when we hit the questions I answer with “to the best of my ability” he just smiled and went on and then thanked me for my efforts in doing what I could at the end.

I hope others have similar positive experiences if they are concerned.  I will be frank and admit I was nervous for the first time in a long time because of that question.

Edited April 15, 2024 by Calm

[bluebell]

5 hours ago, Peacefully said:

I was late so I may have missed it. 

I’m starting to think that it was just some thing our stake president was having the bishops in our Stake do. I talked to my parents and they read it in their ward council, but not over the pulpit.  He said it didn’t sound like there were any plans to read it to the congregation.

Edited April 15, 2024 by bluebell

[Calm]

Maybe your SP was asked a lot of questions about it and so he thought this would give people answers the quickest with the least effort for everyone.

[Buckeye]

They were read to me today during a stake leadership meeting but haven’t yet been read over the pulpit to the general membership. 
FWIW, I think the new language is more direct but still leaves open enough  interpretation such that most members who now do not wear garments as often as leaders would like will still be feel comfortable keeping their practice and answering “yes”. 

[Buckeye]

Even though I have been married to a woman who wears garments for over 20 years now, I must admit I don’t have a good grasp on the issue of garment designs being a poor fit for many women. My wife has expressed this sentiment at times but not in much detail. 
 

I’m curious whether any sisters with design experience have created designs that would address the challenges? That  approach strikes me as more effective than waiting on the church to get the design right. Or is it just the case that the needed design is incompatible with the church’s requirements re markings and coverage? 

[The Nehor]

9 hours ago, bluebell said:

Did everyone else get the new temple recommend interview questions and blurb on wearing garments read to them over the pulpit today in sacrament meeting?  Our bishop said he was asked to read it but I wasn't sure if it was just our Stake or church wide. 

Kind of interesting since I don't think they've ever done that with the other interview question changes they've made over the years.

I got the communication from Salt Lake. It did not say it was supposed to be read from the pulpit.

[Calm]

18 minutes ago, Buckeye said:

Even though I have been married to a woman who wears garments for over 20 years now, I must admit I don’t have a good grasp on the issue of garment designs being a poor fit for many women. My wife has expressed this sentiment at times but not in much detail. 
 

I’m curious whether any sisters with design experience have created designs that would address the challenges? That  approach strikes me as more effective than waiting on the church to get the design right. Or is it just the case that the needed design is incompatible with the church’s requirements re markings and coverage? 

The biggest problem is have a limited number of designs.  They just keep the most popular ones.  I know quite a few women who are wearing a favorite version years, maybe decades after it has been discontinued when it’s almost in pieces because it may be the only one that feels comfortable with a favorite piece of clothing.  I have a feeling I should have stocked up on a version from 3 years ago as the current one is a bit too loose in the size I chose which means it will be a bit too tight in the size down where the other is a perfect fit.

This also probably means the most popular versions are likely to fit North American bodies most as we likely are used to buying larger amounts than in less developed countries, who also tend to be petite (btw, height may not be a sign of great nutrition since many Asians live longer and healthier lives than the usually taller Europeans, but rather a result of drinking more milk/calcium when growing up; longer limbs tend to get broken more, at mostly the femur, so being tall isn’t always a good thing…I am in a catching up on nutrition science mode).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4832288/

Edited April 15, 2024 by Calm

[Rain]

24 minutes ago, Buckeye said:

They were read to me today during a stake leadership meeting but haven’t yet been read over the pulpit to the general membership. 
FWIW, I think the new language is more direct but still leaves open enough  interpretation such that most members who now do not wear garments as often as leaders would like will still be feel comfortable keeping their practice and answering “yes”. 

I thought the same thing.

16 minutes ago, Buckeye said:

Even though I have been married to a woman who wears garments for over 20 years now, I must admit I don’t have a good grasp on the issue of garment designs being a poor fit for many women. My wife has expressed this sentiment at times but not in much detail. 
 

I’m curious whether any sisters with design experience have created designs that would address the challenges? That  approach strikes me as more effective than waiting on the church to get the design right. Or is it just the case that the needed design is incompatible with the church’s requirements re markings and coverage? 

There has been a sister who spoke to the man in charge and his female assistant about many concerns.  She spoke about it on the podcast of At Last She Said It episodes 138 and 139.

One of the things asked about was colored garments like military personel are able to have. He gave her a definite no on that. Bright color is one of the things that Days for Girls requires in the period packs volunteers make. Part of the reason they are dark is many of those girls need to wash by hand and don't have the cleaners that are available to many of us. So while periods affect women with white garments they affect women in third world countries even more. If there can be an exception for military I don't understand why there can't be for women on periods.

[The Nehor]

7 minutes ago, Rain said:

There has been a sister who spoke to the man in charge and his female assistant about many concerns.  She spoke about it on the podcast of At Last She Said It episodes 138 and 139.

One of the things asked about was colored garments like military personel are able to have. He gave her a definite no on that. Bright color is one of the things that Days for Girls requires in the period packs volunteers make. Part of the reason they are dark is many of those girls need to wash by hand and don't have the cleaners that are available to many of us. So while periods affect women with white garments they affect women in third world countries even more. If there can be an exception for military I don't understand why there can't be for women on periods.

If you do that then how will women be constantly reminded of original sin….or something?

[Calm]

https://www.thechurchnews.com/leaders/2024/04/14/first-presidency-letter-garmet-of-the-holy-priesthood-temple-recommend-statement/

[Calm]

1 hour ago, The Nehor said:

If you do that then how will women be constantly reminded of original sin….or something?

I never connected garments with that, not sure why you would think LDS would since we don’t really do original sin.  Is there some version I have missed?

[The Nehor]

3 hours ago, Calm said:

I never connected garments with that, not sure why you would think LDS would since we don’t really do original sin.  Is there some version I have missed?

It was meant as a morbid joke.

[MustardSeed]

Does anyone here see a legit reason women could not have a slip with garment markings?  
 

the GA mentioned above was aghast by the idea - I see zero issues. 

[bluebell]

1 hour ago, MustardSeed said:

Does anyone here see a legit reason women could not have a slip with garment markings?  
 

the GA mentioned above was aghast by the idea - I see zero issues. 

Maybe he was thinking a slip doesn’t cover the body in the right way? I have no idea. It would’ve been interesting if somebody had asked him why he was so opposed to it. Maybe because the symbol could just be anywhere willy-nilly if it was a loose slip or got turned while wearing it rather than in the correct location? 

[MustardSeed]

7 minutes ago, bluebell said:

Maybe he was thinking a slip doesn’t cover the body in the right way? I have no idea. It would’ve been interesting if somebody had asked him why he was so opposed to it. Maybe because the symbol could just be anywhere willy-nilly if it was a loose slip or got turned while wearing it rather than in the correct location? 

I know why HE didn’t like it : “well what would women wear UNDERNEATH?!” As if that’s relevant . Either he believed the garment needed to be underwear (wrong) or he felt the garment needed to be a policing tool.  

[Calm]

3 hours ago, MustardSeed said:

Does anyone here see a legit reason women could not have a slip with garment markings?  
 

the GA mentioned above was aghast by the idea - I see zero issues. 

They actually do that for invalid patients.  My mother used them as you would use a nightgown.  You have to get permission from your bishop to use them.  Short sleeve, heavier material. Snaps at the side so they don’t have to pull it over their heads.  I think they were all cotton, but they may have been cotton poly for easier care. 

Edited April 15, 2024 by Calm

[bluebell]

2 hours ago, MustardSeed said:

I know why HE didn’t like it : “well what would women wear UNDERNEATH?!” As if that’s relevant . Either he believed the garment needed to be underwear (wrong) or he felt the garment needed to be a policing tool.  

So weird. It sounds like he’s thinking that if the garment was a slip that women wouldn’t wear underwear. Like garments were so connected to underwear in his mind that he couldn’t conceive of a way that they wouldn’t have to serve that purpose.

Man, I really wish somebody had questioned him further about it!

[bluebell]

2 hours ago, Calm said:

They actually do that for invalid patients.  My mother used them as you would use a nightgown.  You have to get permission from your bishop to use them.  Short sleeve, heavier material. Snaps at the side so they don’t have to pull it over their heads.  I think they were all cotton, but they may have been cotton poly for easier care. 

I wonder if this general authority was unaware of the existence of those. 

[MustardSeed]

3 minutes ago, bluebell said:

So weird. It sounds like he’s thinking that if the garment was a slip that women wouldn’t wear underwear. Like garments were so connected to underwear in his mind that he couldn’t conceive of a way that they wouldn’t have to serve that purpose.

Man, I really wish somebody had questioned him further about it!

Me too!  Big time.  My trust issues are having a party over all of this 🤪

[Teancum]

14 hours ago, bluebell said:

I’m starting to think that it was just some thing our stake president was having the bishops in our Stake do. I talked to my parents and they read it in their ward council, but not over the pulpit.  He said it didn’t sound like there were any plans to read it to the congregation.

From what I have seen I thought this was to be read to all member in all Sacrament Meetings.

[Calm]

2 hours ago, bluebell said:

I wonder if this general authority was unaware of the existence of those. 

I would be surprised if not, but typically my guess is often they are wearing depends or something similar as my mother was or possibly nothing at all being in a bed all the time and so that solved that issue for him. When I first found out about them, it was described as for those in nursing homes or hospitals so caregivers could have easy access where they needed (I researched options when a nurse actually contacted FAIR to ask how she could address the concerns of her LDS patient who had dementia, but wanted to continue to wear garments, I thought that was so respectful of her patient’s dignity…it was also the worst case of someone taking “next to your skin” to the extreme I had heard of, I hope the nightgown version was reassuring enough for her patient).  

I was a bit surprised my mom could get them as at that point she was independent (though she shouldn’t have been, but I was outvoted), so it seems they are not as restricted as I first thought. My sister in law handled getting them so I don’t know how much of a hassle it was. (People rarely end up saying no to my sister in law)

It would be difficult to wear much over them given the thickness of the fabric, the length of sleeve (I believe they were unisex, the sleeve length was the same as men’s iirc), impossible to wear with pants.  The skirt wasn’t that full.  Think T-shirt dress with a bit of a flare that comes to the knee.

Edited April 15, 2024 by Calm

[Bernard Gui]

On 4/13/2024 at 11:34 PM, SeekingUnderstanding said:

Funny how it always ends up with men being in charge of judging women. 🤔

Ultimately we will all judged by the Man who is in charge of everything.

Edited April 16, 2024 by Bernard Gui