bsjkki Posted January 15, 2022 Posted January 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Chum said: This phrasing seems out of harmony with the nature of vaccines in general. Effective vaccines boost immunity, leading to reductions in incidents and severity. I'm not aware of any vaccine that boasts an outcome as absolute as prevention. Hugely successful vaccines fall short in >0 cases. The phrasing is accurate. https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/cdc-director-covid-vaccines-cant-prevent-transmission-anymore/ar-AASDndg
bsjkki Posted January 15, 2022 Posted January 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Chum said: 'Regardless' may carry an incorrect hint that immunity and vaccines have no effect on Omicron. A better fit might be that Omicron is infecting more people but those with immunity and vaccines can expect markedly reduced severity. My statement is accurate. I am talking about cases and transmission. Omicron easily spreads among the vaccinated. The topic was ‘mild cases.’
Stargazer Posted January 15, 2022 Posted January 15, 2022 On 1/13/2022 at 8:21 AM, Snodgrassian said: A large group of medical professionals have issued an open letter to Spotify requesting that they remove the Joe Rogan Experience with Dr. Malone episode(s), the letter contains many links to fact check the claims and claimed misinformation: https://spotifyopenletter.wordpress.com/2022/01/10/an-open-letter-to-spotify/ And an APNews article digging in a bit deeper: https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-science-health-joe-rogan-ap-fact-check-a87b1044c6256968dcc33886a36c949f The "I'm just asking questions..." strategy is becoming a force be reckoned with. Yes. And when we reach the point that the opinions of knowledgeable and educated people are being desperately sought to be suppressed, that's when we know that something is rotten in Denmark. It is not the truth that must be protected from dissenters -- truth can stand against lies. It is lies that must be protected from dissent. 1
Calm Posted January 16, 2022 Author Posted January 16, 2022 https://www.axios.com/nurses-united-states-protesting-coronavirus-4f55d01c-94eb-457e-869e-850e84d5d011.html? Bad headline…it is what they see as their bosses’ greed that is the issue, not Covid Quote What they're saying: Nurses "are enraged to see that, for our government and our employers, it’s all about what’s good for business, not what’s good for public health," NNU President Zenei Triunfo-Cortez said in a statement. "Our employers claim there is a ‘nursing shortage,’ and that’s why they must flout optimal isolation times, but we know there are plenty of registered nurses in this country," she added. "There is only a shortage of nurses willing to work in the unsafe conditions created by hospital employers and this government’s refusal to impose lifesaving standards." 1
Peacefully Posted January 16, 2022 Posted January 16, 2022 22 hours ago, katherine the great said: I have Covid. I’m not really enjoying it. Just sayin. I hope you feel better soon! 1
Peacefully Posted January 16, 2022 Posted January 16, 2022 (edited) Dup Edited January 16, 2022 by Peacefully
katherine the great Posted January 16, 2022 Posted January 16, 2022 15 hours ago, Peacefully said: I hope you feel better soon! Thank you. I’m definitely feeling better than I was a few days ago. 2
Duncan Posted January 16, 2022 Posted January 16, 2022 On 1/11/2022 at 11:23 PM, Calm said: Makes sense to me. The amount could be unjust though. If insurance costs go up because of a significant amount of people choose to smoke, would it seem unfair to charge the smokers a higher premium? I heard on the radio earlier, all those issues like what if some millionaire gets dinged 500 smackers vs. some recent immigrant with health card getting hit with a 500 buck fine, it isn't the same so they are working through all that stuff.
Duncan Posted January 16, 2022 Posted January 16, 2022 On 1/14/2022 at 11:00 PM, katherine the great said: I have Covid. I’m not really enjoying it. Just sayin. sorry to hear that you are going through that! 1
rodheadlee Posted January 17, 2022 Posted January 17, 2022 I heard that the Salt Lake Trib was calling for the National Guard to keep people in their homes that are not vaccinated. Is that true?
rongo Posted January 17, 2022 Posted January 17, 2022 49 minutes ago, rodheadlee said: I heard that the Salt Lake Trib was calling for the National Guard to keep people in their homes that are not vaccinated. Is that true? Yes, it's making national news. Nobody actually reads the Trib, though. It was an unhinged attack on Governor Cox, the new head health lady, and even President Biden. It showed that certain segments desperately wish they could unleash the military for enforced lockdowns, if only they could. 1
Rivers Posted January 17, 2022 Posted January 17, 2022 17 hours ago, rodheadlee said: I heard that the Salt Lake Trib was calling for the National Guard to keep people in their homes that are not vaccinated. Is that true? That wouldn’t make any sense since the vaccine doesn’t do a whole lot in terms of reducing transmission. Vaccinated and unvaccinated alike are spreading the Omicron.
rongo Posted January 17, 2022 Posted January 17, 2022 14 minutes ago, Rivers said: That wouldn’t make any sense since the vaccine doesn’t do a whole lot in terms of reducing transmission. Vaccinated and unvaccinated alike are spreading the Omicron. It was an unhinged, crazy call to use military to keep unvaccinated people in their homes indefinitely. Probably trying to get clicks (successful), but long term will have people carefully step away from the Trib, not making any sudden moves. 1
Rivers Posted January 17, 2022 Posted January 17, 2022 11 minutes ago, rongo said: It was an unhinged, crazy call to use military to keep unvaccinated people in their homes indefinitely. Probably trying to get clicks (successful), but long term will have people carefully step away from the Trib, not making any sudden moves. The Trib will be the Trib.
bsjkki Posted January 17, 2022 Posted January 17, 2022 (edited) From the Trib editorial board. Edited January 17, 2022 by bsjkki
Popular Post Rivers Posted January 17, 2022 Popular Post Posted January 17, 2022 30 minutes ago, bsjkki said: From the Trib editorial board. That doesn’t sound civilized. It sounds tyrannical. 5
bsjkki Posted January 17, 2022 Posted January 17, 2022 https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/17/omicron-preliminary-study-in-israel-shows-fourth-covid-vaccine-shots-are-less-effective.html 2
Robert J Anderson Posted January 17, 2022 Posted January 17, 2022 5 hours ago, Rivers said: That doesn’t sound civilized. It sounds tyrannical. I hope all Utahns rise up against this tyrannical idea. Persuasion, not force, should be the ideal.
Rivers Posted January 18, 2022 Posted January 18, 2022 (edited) The biggest thing bothering me right now is the narrative that the unvaccinated are putting others at risk. This is causing way too much confusion. The vaccine isn’t significantly reducing the spread. The vaccine protects the person being vaccinated by turning a potentially deadly disease into a cold. So the unvaccinated are only putting themselves at risk. Let’s stop demonizing them. And when they get really sick, we support the hospitals taking care of them. Edited January 18, 2022 by Rivers
MiserereNobis Posted January 18, 2022 Posted January 18, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Rivers said: And when they get really sick, we support the hospitals taking care of them. Yep, I'll be supporting the unvaccinated through my insurance's just announced 9.2% premium increase. Edited January 18, 2022 by MiserereNobis 2
Rivers Posted January 18, 2022 Posted January 18, 2022 Just now, MiserereNobis said: Yep, I'll be supporting them through my insurance's just announced 9.2% premium increase. That bites
Hamba Tuhan Posted January 19, 2022 Posted January 19, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, MiserereNobis said: Yep, I'll be supporting the unvaccinated through my insurance's just announced 9.2% premium increase. I live in a nation with a robust publicly funded hospital system. In US dollars, it is currently costing us $1,381,652.44 each day to take care of unvaccinated people who are in ICU because of Covid, and an additional $23,575.407.54 per day to take care of unvaccinated people who are in other wards because of Covid. As you can imagine in a nation with a vaccination rate above 90 per cent, a fair few people are unhappy about this ... and that's before we get to the complete suspension of all 'elective' surgeries in our most affected jurisdictions, including my own, because caring for the unvaccinated is taking all available resources. Doctrinally, Latter-day Saints should be the last people on the planet to fall for 'I'm only harming myself' nonsense. Edited January 19, 2022 by Hamba Tuhan 4
sunstoned Posted January 19, 2022 Posted January 19, 2022 On 1/16/2022 at 5:02 PM, rodheadlee said: I heard that the Salt Lake Trib was calling for the National Guard to keep people in their homes that are not vaccinated. Is that true? It is just an op-ed. No one is taking it seriously. 1
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