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Robert J Anderson

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  1. If the lock downs had a negative effect on vulnerable teenagers, then we should learn from our mistakes and not repeat them, regardless of whose feelings may be hurt. I don't believe you are the cause for teen suicide. You aren't in a position to make lock-down decisions, as far as I know, and culpability needs knowledge prior or disregard of looking at the evidence when presented. You are just a poster that supports a certain narrative that seems to be fading. This is why we need to look at this closely. The pandemic was the biggest upheaval in any of our lives and certainly we need to look hard and close at what happened and why, demanding transparency from all involved.
  2. Causation is almost impossible given how much of the virus is circulating and so assuming that the gentleman caught it at church, while a possibility, is far from a proven fact. I wouldn't beat up on the poster for saying what she did. Who is to say that the guy didn't get it from some medical professional that is around the virus a lot due to work. Perhaps while maybe masked slowed it, there isn't anything in the literature that showed how much it was slowed if any, due to mask wearing. I think people jumped on masks as it was like pascal's wager and govt. officials needed to do something. Eventually, everyone was going to be exposed and so masks eventually don't have much of an effect.
  3. Do you support censoring differing opinions from other doctors and scientists if those differing opinions disagree with your narrative? Don't you think it's healthy to question certain scientific dogmas that are out there? The CDC recently said cloth masks are basically worthless. Yet it was the supposed scientific consensus for the last two years. The vaccines don't do much for omicron. Yet, they were promised to stop the spread by the media and didn't for delta or any of them. Other treatments were censored and doctors who dare prescribe them are being threatened by their medical boards. I wonder if pharma is involved here. This looks like it is just trying to defeat the competition.
  4. Fair enough. However, this whole thing turned out to be political and politics seeped into every thread, because of the politics surrounding it from the outside. Continuing to have conversation about the effects will perhaps let us recognize how this has been hijacked by politicians for their gain, at the expense of needed facts. We really need to dissect this once it is over to see what was good and what should be avoided if we have another pandemic. There were definitely winners and losers here and there needs to be a reconciliation as to what happened and why, without the threat of having something being shut down by our faceless, nameless moderators.
  5. Let's keep the thread open. Looks like the narrative is changing and we are on the downside of this. I think it would be useful to see how people react to the change. There has been too much censorship during this and free expression is badly needed.
  6. I think this is where we are headed, given what the CDC director has been saying recently. And it makes sense. This is a disease that seriously affected less than 1% of the population and most of those had comorbidities or obesity.
  7. I don't know if we can say how much the vaccines protect. They seem to have gotten progressively worse at doing the job promised as new variants have come on. I'm vaccinated and still got omicron. I don't know how much they will do against the next variant seeing how they haven't done that well against omicron. Perhaps, the next iteration of the vaccine will be better?
  8. How do you know that the rise is due to the unvaccinated?
  9. I hope all Utahns rise up against this tyrannical idea. Persuasion, not force, should be the ideal.
  10. This is a simulation. I don't know how reliable simulations are.
  11. What's the point of getting tested when it is just like a cold? What difference does it make if you know that you have omicron or only have a cold when the symptoms are practically the same? Treatment doesn't change whether it is a cold or omicron. So, why does it matter? Are people more reckless if they think they have a cold? When I had a cold prior to covid, I tried to stay away from people and I think people still do. I don't think anyone wants to infect others, just like they didn't want to prior to covid. I was sick for the last two weeks in December. I didn't get tested but stayed away from others while I was sick. Am I missing something?
  12. I'm not defending that death/hospital rates are higher among the vaccinated. Everything I've seen shows otherwise. Maybe it'll change in the future as the percentage of the vaccinated goes up (if and when all are vaccinated then all hospitalizations/deaths will then be among the vaccinated), but, I looked and haven't seen where the rates are higher among the vaccinated at this time.
  13. It's tough to square the family proclamation with the wishes of the lgtbq community. I get it. Maybe this isn't for them? Everyone is invited to participate, however, the church doesn't conform to individual wants. It's the other way around. Perhaps it'll change in the future, but, the part about marriage between a man and a woman and the following quote seem tough to get around. https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/the-family-a-proclamation-to-the-world/the-family-a-proclamation-to-the-world?lang=eng
  14. Here is the Lancet article showing that health officials should not discount the vaccinated as persons that can spread covid. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanepe/article/PIIS2666-7762(21)00258-1/fulltext?s=08 From the Lancet article:
  15. It's unfortunate for sure. This is why one cannot be married as it were to a particular medical stance when medicine/science constantly changes.
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