The Other Covid Thread

[pogi]

11 minutes ago, Rain said:

You've read her wrong.  I do not always agree with her and I often see things differently than she does, but you are presenting her as a person she is not.  You are reading things into what she is saying.  She is one of those real people very much affected by the pandemic.  

I will concede that it is possible that I am wrong about the baiting (but I don’t think so - she has been agitated at me for a while now and the setup was too pristine and coincidental, and the response was too fast for 3 links), but that is not what I am most mad about.

So she didn’t really say that it is people like me who are responsible for teenage suicide?

Why is she being defended for this?

Edited January 23, 2022 by pogi

[Robert J Anderson]

28 minutes ago, pogi said:

I don't believe in censoring.  I believe in following best medical practice based on the best info we have at the time.  The current recommendation is to continue to wear masks, and to get vaccinated.  The prophets have made the same admonition.  

To celebrate going massless at a time when millions upon millions of Americans have been adversely affected by Covid and in the middle of the biggest outbreak in history, and in the face of a death in the ward (where no one is wearing masks), is beyond tactless and intentionally agitating (knowing where many of us stand here).  These are real people. 

While that attitude is agitating, I can tolerate it.  It is the blaming people like me for teenage suicide for suggesting that it is very possible that this ward member was exposed to Covid at church that took it over the top for me.  That is beyond unacceptable behavior. 

Causation is almost impossible given how much of the virus is circulating and so assuming that the gentleman caught it at church, while a possibility, is far from a proven fact.  I wouldn't beat up on the poster for saying what she did.  Who is to say that the guy didn't get it from some medical professional that is around the virus a lot due to work.

Perhaps while maybe masked slowed it, there isn't anything in the literature that showed how much it was slowed if any, due to mask wearing.  I think people jumped on masks as it was like pascal's wager and govt. officials needed to do something.  Eventually, everyone was going to be exposed and so masks eventually don't have much of an effect. 

[pogi]

27 minutes ago, Robert J Anderson said:

Causation is almost impossible given how much of the virus is circulating and so assuming that the gentleman caught it at church, while a possibility, is far from a proven fact.  I wouldn't beat up on the poster for saying what she did.  Who is to say that the guy didn't get it from some medical professional that is around the virus a lot due to work.

Perhaps while maybe masked slowed it, there isn't anything in the literature that showed how much it was slowed if any, due to mask wearing.  I think people jumped on masks as it was like pascal's wager and govt. officials needed to do something.  Eventually, everyone was going to be exposed and so masks eventually don't have much of an effect. 

I never attempted to claim causation.  Could he have been exposed in a mask less ward?  Could exposures  at church go down if everyone followed the prophet?

Why is everyone ignoring the fact that she accused people like me of being responsible for teenage suicide?  She is the victim in this?  Come on! that is so inappropriate and uncalled for!

Edited January 23, 2022 by pogi

[T-Shirt]

7 minutes ago, pogi said:

  Come on! that is so inappropriate and uncalled for!

Physician, heal thyself.

[pogi]

It is evident that I a going to continue to be attacked and that she is going to be defended in her offensive behavior.  I never blamed her for his death.  That is BS!!!   I was suggesting that celebrating mask lessness in the face of a death is inappropriate, tactless in the least.   and I can’t continue this.  You all get the last word. I can’t keep getting sucked back in. 

Edited January 23, 2022 by pogi

[Robert J Anderson]

11 minutes ago, pogi said:

I never attempted to claim causation.  Could he have been exposed in a mask less ward?  Could exposures  at church go down if everyone followed the prophet?

Why is everyone ignoring the fact that she accused people like me of being responsible for teenage suicide?  She is the victim in this?  Come on! that is so inappropriate and uncalled for!

If the lock downs had a negative effect on vulnerable teenagers, then we should learn from our mistakes and not repeat them, regardless of whose feelings may be hurt.  I don't believe you are the cause for teen suicide.  You aren't in a position to make lock-down decisions, as far as I know, and culpability needs knowledge prior or disregard of looking at the evidence when presented.  You are just a poster that supports a certain narrative that seems to be fading.

This is why we need to look at this closely.  The pandemic was the biggest upheaval in any of our lives and certainly we need to look hard and close at what happened and why, demanding transparency from all involved. 

[T-Shirt]

Pogi, you are my brother and I love you. I admire your passion and thank you for the hard work you are doing. Your passion, however seems to blind you to opposing viewpoints to the point where you attribute thoughts, feelings and beliefs to others that are not accurate.