Is the Temple card worth it?

[senjustindiaz]

Been a member for 3 years, don't see the value in the temple

[JLHPROF]

24 minutes ago, senjustindiaz said:

Been a member for 3 years, don't see the value in the temple

What sort of weird post is this?

Any chance of elaborating or are you trolling?

[senjustindiaz]

33 minutes ago, JLHPROF said:

What sort of weird post is this?

Any chance of elaborating or are you trolling?

 

Not trolling, just trying to start a discussion, I don't see the value in a dress rehearsal and a movie. 

[bluebell]

In the temple you make covenants with God, that both increase your responsibilities but also increase your blessings, one of those blessings being gaining eternal life and becoming a joint-heir with Christ in inheriting all that the Father has.

I'm not sure why you don't see value in that?

[MorningStar]

Have you been to the temple?

[senjustindiaz]

19 minutes ago, MorningStar said:

Have you been to the temple?

Yes, I have been, I have a current recommend. You can do all those things without the temple, it's a beautiful place, but viewing a film and passing through the veil into a room where you are supposed to ask all the "questions". Yet there is no one to answer any of them is quite daunting.

"The Kingdom of God is inside/within you (and all about you), not in buildings/mansions of wood and stone. (When I am gone) Split a piece of wood and I am there, lift the/a stone and you will find me."

[bluebell]

1 minute ago, senjustindiaz said:

Yes, I have been, I have a current recommend. You can do all those things without the temple, it's a beautiful place, but viewing a film and passing through the veil into a room where you are supposed to ask all the "questions". Yet there is no one to answer any of them is quite daunting.

"The Kingdom of God is inside/within you (and all about you), not in buildings/mansions of wood and stone. (When I am gone) Split a piece of wood and I am there, lift the/a stone and you will find me."

No, you can't make those covenants outside of the temple.

[senjustindiaz]

3 minutes ago, bluebell said:

No, you can't make those covenants outside of the temple.

Who says you can't make a covenant with God where ever you want. He's every where.

[bluebell]

21 minutes ago, senjustindiaz said:

Who says you can't make a covenant with God where ever you want. He's every where.

God said. 

[senjustindiaz]

2 minutes ago, bluebell said:

God said. 

Yes he said he's every where 

[Glenn101]

1 hour ago, senjustindiaz said:

Not trolling, just trying to start a discussion, I don't see the value in a dress rehearsal and a movie. 

Since you say you have a temple recommend, I would recommend that you seriously review everything that you have been taught about the temple and what it means in LDS theology. It means no more than what you put into the covenants that you make there. No one forces you to get a recommend or to make those covenants, but they are sacred and have a lot to do with you and your family, including your ancestors, for now and for eternity.

Glenn

[senjustindiaz]

13 minutes ago, Glenn101 said:

Since you say you have a temple recommend, I would recommend that you seriously review everything that you have been taught about the temple and what it means in LDS theology. It means no more than what you put into the covenants that you make there. No one forces you to get a recommend or to make those covenants, but they are sacred and have a lot to do with you and your family, including your ancestors, for now and for eternity.

Glenn

 

I have sir been to there at least 10 times pretty much the same everytime. The temple is a huge factor in why people leave the church and should be addressed. 

[The Nehor]

1 hour ago, senjustindiaz said:

Yes, I have been, I have a current recommend. You can do all those things without the temple, it's a beautiful place, but viewing a film and passing through the veil into a room where you are supposed to ask all the "questions". Yet there is no one to answer any of them is quite daunting.

"The Kingdom of God is inside/within you (and all about you), not in buildings/mansions of wood and stone. (When I am gone) Split a piece of wood and I am there, lift the/a stone and you will find me."

You say no one is there. Have you tried asking God?

As to God being everywhere, yeah, but we are not equally close to him everywhere. After committing heinous sins I am further from Him. When I go to the temple the experience is designed to prepare me for deeper communion with God.

God is everywhere does not mean our actions or the things we choose to do do not matter. Otherwise I could find God equally in helping someone and killing them.

[The Nehor]

38 minutes ago, senjustindiaz said:

I have sir been to there at least 10 times pretty much the same everytime. The temple is a huge factor in why people leave the church and should be addressed. 

Of course it is a reason people leave. Everything in the church and the gospel will probably help convince someone to leave. When Jesus taught the people and many said his commands were too hard Jesus did not run after them seeking a compromise or their input in how the gospel could be made more palatable. He just mourned and asked the apostles if they would leave too.

[rpn]

After you have once been to the temple for yourself, you are doing the process for others, so those who have died without the opportunity to do it for themselves can also have the same opportunity to have the ordinances done.   It really isn't about the movie.

But the value of the temple recommend is in being able to say you are worthy before God, in its reminder to help you honor your covenants.

Everyone gets a testimony of various gospel doctrine and principles at their own pace.   If you seek one of the temple, you can gain a testimony of its value too.

[senjustindiaz]

8 minutes ago, rpn said:

After you have once been to the temple for yourself, you are doing the process for others, so those who have died without the opportunity to do it for themselves can also have the same opportunity to have the ordinances done.   It really isn't about the movie.

But the value of the temple recommend is in being able to say you are worthy before God, in its reminder to help you honor your covenants.

Everyone gets a testimony of various gospel doctrine and principles at their own pace.   If you seek one of the temple, you can gain a testimony of its value too.

 

Its more of a bragging thing in my opinion really

[The Nehor]

1 minute ago, senjustindiaz said:

Its more of a bragging thing in my opinion really

So you go around bragging about your temple recommend? I think I see why you are not getting much out of it.

[senjustindiaz]

29 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

So you go around bragging about your temple recommend? I think I see why you are not getting much out of it.

Its seems you taking this a bit to heart, its just a discussion. And no I don't, but don't be dishonest and act as if people don't

[The Nehor]

26 minutes ago, senjustindiaz said:

Its seems you taking this a bit to heart, its just a discussion. And no I don't, but don't be dishonest and act as if people don't

Please don't be dishonest by suggesting that it is normal for LDS people to go around bragging that they have a temple recommend. I have never seen that happen in my entire life. The only people who I know for sure have one are people I have seen there recently.

No, I am not really taking it to heart. I just give it better then a 50/50 chance that you are trolling.

[emeliza]

I don't think I have ever heard anyone brag about having a temple recommend before.  But again, I am in the Midwest and not Utah.  I do hear people talking about going to the temple, but never seems to be bragging.

Sorry you don't get that much out of the temple.  I love to go and wish it was closer than 2 1/2 hours away.  Takes an entire day to go, do a session and get home again.  I love the peace I feel there.  I enjoy the ordinances.  I like that we are helping people who didn't have the ability during their lives to go.

[JLHPROF]

4 hours ago, senjustindiaz said:

I don't see the value in a dress rehearsal and a movie. 

If that's what you think the endowment is you clearly missed the whole point.

4 hours ago, senjustindiaz said:

Who says you can't make a covenant with God where ever you want. He's every where.

No, he's not and yes, he is.
Context matters in a statement like that.   Scriptures concerning regaining God's presence are plentiful/

3 hours ago, senjustindiaz said:

I have sir been to there at least 10 times pretty much the same everytime. The temple is a huge factor in why people leave the church and should be addressed. 

"And the communications I made to this council were of things spiritual, and to be received only by the spiritually minded" - Joseph Smith
"The endowment you are so anxious about, you cannot comprehend now, nor could Gabriel explain it to the understanding of your dark minds" - Joseph SMith

Anyone leaving the Church over the temple ordinances has no understanding of the endowment.
Anyone that thinks changing the ordinances to retain members is a good idea has no understanding of the endowment.

[Calm]

2 hours ago, senjustindiaz said:

Its seems you taking this a bit to heart, its just a discussion. And no I don't, but don't be dishonest and act as if people don't

You don't seem to be engaging with what other people are saying, but just dismissing it, so no, it is not a discussion in my opinion.

[MorningStar]

Covenants are made in the presence of witnesses, so no, you can't make covenants just anywhere. 

[Calm]

3 hours ago, emeliza said:

I don't think I have ever heard anyone brag about having a temple recommend before.  But again, I am in the Midwest and not Utah.  I do hear people talking about going to the temple, but never seems to be bragging.

Sorry you don't get that much out of the temple.  I love to go and wish it was closer than 2 1/2 hours away.  Takes an entire day to go, do a session and get home again.  I love the peace I feel there.  I enjoy the ordinances.  I like that we are helping people who didn't have the ability during their lives to go.

I am in Utah, the only people I remember bragging about having a temple recommend are ones who lie to get in and are happy to brag about that as well.  

Not saying this is typical behaviour of critics or former believers.

Edited January 15, 2017 by Calm

[senjustindiaz]

10 hours ago, MorningStar said:

Covenants are made in the presence of witnesses, so no, you can't make covenants just anywhere. 

Last I check the term "with God as my witness" is something we all know.