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rpn

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  1. It's pretty standard for Church leaders to remove membership when member doesn't show up for the meeting.
  2. Church Councils and discipline requires witnesses. If the perp denies and two or more witnesses aren't available, then what's the council to do. And when allegations against a candidate first are raised the context of a political campaign, there is also a need to avoid getting sucked in to politics, which isn't where the church wants to be, nor where it is easy to distinguish accurate info from political hatchet jobs.
  3. I'm so sorry it's one thing after another. Prayers sent.
  4. I should have made it clear I meant that suggestion after you've given notice to everyone that was the next effort (Though I'm betting that some of the vehicles aren't actually driveable at all, so people could leave but that won't necessarily mean the place will be cleaned out._
  5. I don't understand what you are asking. You do know that In Brigham Young's time, he sent people to grow farms and families all around the Western states. In 8th grade textbooks he's often credited with settling the west.
  6. What if you simply fenced off the area and have a noise machine through the days and nights that make it hard to sleep? (Give some notice. Do you have to do the 30 day notice where you are?) If the problem is that vehicles they are using aren't driveable, then it will cost you, but you could simply tow them to the junkyard? Have you contacted the local homeless organizations for suggestions or help?
  7. I don't understand how church leaders can be so naive as to write on any member's behalf except about things s/he has actual knowledge about (I suppose he can look at how many times the rolls say he attended Sunday School, if his ward keeps such records) (and he can't do that to the extent he learned if from the perp's confession and/or the victims report). Doing lots of good things doesn't give you a pass when you do really bad things. Bishops who cave in to this sort of thing are just incredibly ill informed or equally wicked. It is so unkind and unhelpful to assist an errant member from avoiding the natural consequences of their bad choices (even if, or maybe especially if they have juice in a community that means someone will take them seriously. And when it happens it severely distresses the victims.
  8. Because you expanded what has been carefully calibrated discussion unilaterally in a way that hospitality before discussion with her didn't require. She's afraid you've abandoned your faith and maybe wondering if you're going to start drinking too.
  9. Well i watched the first moon landing. They didint stick around long any of the four? times they went 69-72. And just recently we got to see passing the moon in a new flight beyond.
  10. Well not a moment too soon to ditch "mormonism" as depicted. (which bears little to no similarity with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teachings and beliefs).
  11. I don't think we know exactly how and who was physically involved in creating all of what we know as the earth.
  12. I would have been so curious about how they get along together given what is happening and the potential risks for each of them. I'd be curious about how they got excused from war duty and whether they can even speak of that.
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    Utah History

    For many years, the history of Utah was the history of the Church of Latter-day Saints: The second Volume of "Saints covers the history of the church from 1846 to 1893 The Centennial Collection is another source: https://www.familysearch.org/en/search/catalog/734691
  14. none of which is scriptural but became part of the Catholic and thereafter other divergent faith participation over the years.
  15. There are members who participate in Jewish Seders, carry crosses like some do to mimic what Jesus experienced. We are free to celebrate however we choose. I can tell you that I've seen/heard of more sunrise services in the last five years. We break the bread and water in the Sacrament every Sunday, not just on Easter. And many of us do Easter Egg Hunts (usually not on Easter Sunday itself). We are more prone to celebrate the Ressurection than the dying on the cross part (which was necessary but which doesn't/shouldn't eclipse the resurrection.
  16. Why would He have prompted two separate prophets to investigate the issue , if He didn't think it was time? He may have known that despite prophetic efforts to get the investigations going, He wasn't going to find willing ears? But two separate prophets were inspired to conduct the investigations.
  17. In my mind the quintessential example on this point comes from the two times top church leadership was inspired in the 1880's and then again in the early 1900's to investigate the priesthood ban. (Because Zebedee Coltrin outright lied and Abraham Smoot also denied that Joseph Smith had ordained black men to the priesthood in the 1880's after Brigham Young died, there wasn't a quorum willing to hear the desires of God on the racial issue until 1978). And given the increasing ugliness that grew up around the racial disparities during that time leaning flat into racism, it clearly is possible for all of them to go astray.
  18. But that is materially different from the original question of whether or not it is sinful. When you do wrongful things by compulsion of misguided or wicked leaders, they are the ones that bear the sin, not the member doing it.
  19. We are obligated to confirm what our leaders (or anyone else for that matter) with the Spirit. I don't think any of us ever are obligate to simply accept because even a general authority says so.
  20. That doesnt have to be a lie: It could be that what happens now isnt what happened at the time of that call. It could be that a person who was on the call kept a personnel copy when they weren't supposed to. It could be the person who called kept a copy. It could be that the convo was reduced to paper before it was destroyed. It could be that is what the attorneys believed at the time, and now they know it didnt happen in this case. Appropriate to note the discrepancy, but at the moment the accusation of "lie" is unwarranted.
  21. Because I am fully responsible for what I do to make sure our leaders know what is happening in the Lord's church, what those who receive the information do upon it's receipt is just not something my contributions can determine. People who have the capacity to resolve known wickedness (or bad or even just wrongful) behavior cannot be held accountable for failures to do what they should, without having actual knowledge of it.
  22. I sang in the choir, and went vting with people whose companions weren't available. And you can always serve in "Just Serv" Projects in the community and help clean the building.
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    1 Hour Church?

    It's been announced for Easter (which is being celebrated on March 30 this year, which is Palm Sunday, because the first Sunday in April (which is Easter is General Conference. And we've had 1 hour for Christmas a couple of times during the pandemic and since. Not new at all.
  24. Sure there is. While it is true that letters to the first presidency (though I'd have to do more thinking before I'd send it to them rather that the President of the Twelve which is currently in charge of most of this temporal stuff, first) are regularly returned to the bishop or SP in which the person belongs, if I sent it to them registered mail, at least I'd know they received it, whatever they choose to do about it isn't my problem. (If I also send a copy of it to the program charged with this, then they also might resolve it.)
  25. I would love to know how the person who did the video got to the place that he either didn't recall or intentionally falsely remembered the details. And I really hope that any bishop who has contact with the Child Abuse Hotline in the future reports up the chain to the prophet if they think what the hotline has done in their case is not what Jesus would do without delay. (I have to admit that I'd lean towards reporting child abuse ---except perhaps that confessed only in confessional, which is protected by penitent-clergy privilege (in which case I'd try to get reportable info otherwise---even if I knew or thought I knew that it had already been reported.)
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