Craig Speechly

I stand by my earlier comments about your attention to details, it is suffocating. But you got my dander up when you called the quotes I cut and pasted as having come from, your words, an anti-mormon site. It poisoned the conversation. The quotes were not anti-mormon, they were just the opposite they were very Mormon. The quotes just happened to have been accessed from a site google provided that provides quotes that embarrass the church because it places the church in a less than flattering light. Any how, it was fun while it lasted. Cheers and good night.

Well it's all for naught. Calm poisoned my well. I've already crossed the Rubicon. Enjoy chatting amongst yourselves.

Each and every quote I posted in my OP is cited. Thanks, -Craig

Calm you are being excessively pedantic on this message board. There I said it. I guess, I'm now banned. Screw it, Enjoy your Silo. What could have been a civil conversation on something I felt was an interesting observation has quickly become an exasperating attack for the sin of failing to list the source of a collection of quotes of LDS leaders I found via a simple google search. But you've won. You have successfully disrupted the flow of the conversation, turning what could have been a lively and engaging exchange of ideas into a tedious nitpicking session of meeting your exacting standards for proper posting. Instead of focusing on the substance of my OP, you've put me on the defense, attacked my character and forced me to get bogged down in trivial details, detracting from the overall enjoyment of this conversation. You've Won, I give up. You've sent your message loud and clear and I've received it. This board is not a safe place to ask questions or present subject matter unless it meets your exacting standard. Perhaps not you intent, but your stilted, painfully irritating need to dot every i and cross every t, creates a hostile atmosphere for many of the posters here and honestly it drive us away. It's exhausting. But perhaps that is you intent. You prefer homogeneity instead of a diverse platform of ideas and opinions. You seem to get more pleasure from the policing of this board than from creating an environment where a civil discussion and exchange of ideas can take place. You've created a board where people like myself feel hesitant to express ourselves freely for fear of being scrutinized and corrected at every turn over seemingly minuscule matters that are of over whelming importance to you. For what its worth here is my advice for you, your annoying exactitude stifles honest and genuine expression. By driving folks like myself away, mind you I don't hide behind a wall of anonymity like everyone else here, you are diminishing the value of this community as a space for meaningful dialogue and mutual understanding. You are shrinking the idea gene pool and you know what that does to the over all health of your close-knit community. In essence, while attention to accuracy and precision is important, your obsession with it just results in souring the experience for everyone involved and if not for everyone, it has for me. Everyone else is afraid to tell you the truth for fear of being banned, but you are an annoying influence on this board and frankly my dear I just don't give a damn.

Where did I pass anything I quoted off as my own writing or ideas? Thanks, -Craig

smac97 , the king of Cut and Paste, has got to hate all of the needling you give him for his failure to provide any links to all of his cut and pastes, oh wait, you don't. Never mind.

Calm, Can you please fill in this gap for me...you seem to be quite knowledgeable. and

Thank you

I remembered a word I hadn't thought of in a long time... Pedantic /pə-dăn′tĭk/ adjective Characterized by a narrow, often ostentatious concern for academic knowledge and formal rules. "a pedantic attention to details." Of or pertaining to a pedant; characteristic of, or resembling, a pedant; ostentatious of learning. "a pedantic writer; a pedantic description; a pedantical affectation." Like a pedant, overly concerned with formal rules and trivial points of learning.

Excuse me? Feeling testie today? Are you suggesting that these quotes are anti mormon? Spencer W. Kimball would certainly disagree. For the record, In preparing my OP, I did a deep search in TheChurchofJesusChrist.org but as you know the church has scrubbed virtually everything pre-1975. My google search provided the above quotes. They are not anti-mormon and I did cited every original source. So whats your point exactly? Some of the very best scholarship on Mormonism in the last 50 years has come from less flattering mormon sites. Please attack the quotes if you will but not the collator of the quotes. Seems petty.

Thank you. You've confirmed one of my points. The church has moved away from this once cherished doctrine

So what's changed? Why are current leader hesitant to loudly proclaim this doctrine and why weren't former church leaders? Why would Butler deny that it's a belief in that podcast? He's no dummy.

So we do get to create and populate planets? Not according to Butler

Fixed