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Hey there fam - I'm writing a realistic fiction story about a Force Reconnaissance (Special Forces) Marine who's injured in combat. As he's recovering from a fused vertebrae surgery, a senior missionary and his wife reach out to him. He learns more, was born and raised in Utah, but hadn't been to church in +10 years. The Senior Couple teaches him about proxy Temple baptisms, and proxy eternal marriage. He learns more, prays about it, studies it out in his mind. He asks the Senior Miss' if he can be sealed or eternally married to his fiancée who was killed in combat (where he was seriously wounded, so she recently passed away.) They get approval and tell him: yes, you can. He baptizes the senior couple Sister on behalf of his fiancée. QUESTION (finally, right? ) - for people with limited use of their legs, can/does the Temple provide a chair they can sit to baptize a person? The senior couple Elder is also in the font, to help the Marine raise up the senior couple Sister out of the font's water. For you Temple workers, how realistic is this? (I get it - liability policy and all but....)
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Merry Christmas, fam! ISO: Church handbook version (as I can't find it in chapter 25: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/general-handbook/25-temple-and-family-history-work?lang=eng) which states: Doing Temple work for deceased people you are not related to is discouraged / bad / wrong / insensitive. Honestly it seems similar to the suggestion / recommendation / non-policy: Don't do Temple work back in time past 1400 or 1500 AD, as the records prior to that time aren't accurate. I get it - do your own ancestors' Temple work. Logical, spiritual, reasonable. At the same time: 1. We are all children of God (suggesting to me that we are all related). This is doctrine. 2. The Savior is our oldest brother and best friend, suggesting we are all related spiritually / premortally. This is doctrine. 3. How would I prove a direct relationship with descendants of the Magi or with Catholic saints who lived around 1000 AD? Knowing this isn't possible why would FamilySearch ask for such? They told me they follow the First Presidency's guidance. I agree we should do that - I'm just looking for that policy. More importantly, why would active faithful members I've known for decades say: Show me how I'm a direct descendant of he Magi or with Catholic saints who lived around 1000 AD? They also know such information is not available - even to what is termed "direct descendants." 4. The further we go back, the less reliable the records get. This is known. So why do some people and FamilySearch ask for proof of direct descendance? They know it's not there or there are multiple theories which are not verifiable (e.g. I had an ancestor who fought with Alexander the Great who married a woman of royalty in India; someone changed one of the generations or links somewhere several centuries back and the line now proceeds thru ancient Rome - how specifically would I prove one of those lines is more valid than another?) What about those who passed away without kids? When we attend the Temple without our ancestors' names, we're doing other peoples' Temple work. I suppose that's fine as the names were submitted to the Temple? TIA
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So - when doing Temple work, or community service, or ward stuff sometimes I've felt promptings or impressions such as: - When babies are born, there's a strong presence of the Spirit. There's also impressions of the specific presence of deceased relatives and friends - When doing Temple work, sometimes there's a friendly, jovial type of impression based on the name, dates of birth, death and location of the person whose proxy work is being done. Perhaps their personality echoing in eternity? - When doing Temple work, sometimes there's a more formal impression of the person whose proxy work is being done based on the name, dates of birth, death and location of the person's mortality. Perhaps their personality echoing in eternity? What's the name for such impressions? It's not gifts of the Spirit like gift of tongues, interpretation of tongues, etc. Also - I've had a few Temple experiences where the person I'm being proxy for lived a strict religious life. Then either the Temple or the place in the Temple where the ordinances for them are performed - has been significant, like unusual, or above average. Is it possible there is a correlation between mortal discipleship and Temple ordinances? Perhaps their habits echoing in eternity?
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Apologies in advance, fam I've reserved some Temple ordinance cards for a Chinese Emperor who had many "wives." 12 of these 13 women have "consort" as their last name. Not sure that's appropriate to be used in the Temple. I can update the names to the Chinese word (hòu) for the same thing - but that doesn't seem to make it appropriate to use in the Temple. Huanghou (Empress) Fei (Consort) Pin (Concubine) Jieyu (Mistress) I suppose I could update thier FamilySearch last name to EMpress but that seems contrary to history - even though after we die God will make all of us Emperors and Empress'. Please advise and thanks in advance.
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I've heard from a family history specialist that: 1. Ancestors who lived prior to 1400 AD are likely in lines of royalty and their work has already been done. (Why is that not recorded in FamilySearch, bruh?) 2. Ancestor who lived prior to 1400 AD - the records are sketchy, unreliable, not validated, etc. so doing their Temple work is not a current expectation. Are either of these claims in the Church Handbook(s)? I ask because some of my pioneer heritage lines date back to Adam and Eve. Also, doing research I discovered a famous person (circa 400 AD) was married and I'd like to help him get sealed or married to his wife for time and all eternity. 3. Some people anciently falsified their ancestry claiming they were connected to royalty so one needs to verify that such is not the case with one's ancestral lines that date back to Jehoiakim and thus back to Adam and Eve. (Happy to verify - not sure exactly how though) 4. In a few years AI will populate all of our ancestor lines and all we'll need to do is verify the accuracy and do their Temple work. (This I can see happening.)
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Curious as to if this is something the Church and FamilySearch allow: Sources on Cain's descendants: Biblical Sources: Genesis 4:17-24 (King James Version) Genesis 4:17-24 (New International Version) Non-Biblical Sources: The Book of Jubilees ( Jewish apocrypha, 2nd century BCE) The Book of Enoch ( Jewish apocrypha, 3rd century BCE) The Apocalypse of Pseudo-Methodius ( Christian apocrypha, 7th century CE) The Cave of Treasures ( Syriac Christian text, 6th century CE) The History of the Patriarchs ( Islamic text, 9th century CE) Other Sources: The Complete Works of Josephus ( Jewish historian, 1st century CE) The Ante-Nicene Fathers ( Christian texts, 2nd-4th century CE) The Gnostic Scriptures ( Gnostic Christian texts, 2nd-4th century CE) Please note that some of these sources may have varying degrees of reliability, and interpretations may differ. Additionally, there may be other sources that explore Cain's descendants beyond these listed here.
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With the Lobby, offices, clothing rental and Laundry being optional levels, a 4-floor 10 x 10 x 10 (L x W x H) micro-Temple ideal or possible to be manufactured via modular construction and built in locations such as: Mt Sinai Saint Catherine's Monastery, officially the Sacred Autonomous Royal Monastery of Saint Catherine of the Holy and God-Trodden Mount Sinai, is a Christian monastery located in the Sinai Peninsula of Egypt. Mt Horeb Egypt where Mary, Joseph and the Savior stayed after fleeing Herod's decree Dhofar, Oman (Nephi's Temple) Jerusalem Persia (Three Magi place of origin Temple) China Russia *This model might also work for a mobile Temple, able to be assembled, ordinances administered, disassembled and relocated for future use. The thick line would be the ground.
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Friend of mine was recently and totally unexpectedly called to serve as a Temple President. I've heard mission president candidates are provided by stake leaders and sent to Area Authorities who under inspiration recommend a few? to the First Presidency. Not sure if existing Temple Presidencies offer suggestion to the Area Authorities who under inspiration recommend a few? to the First Presidency - or do Temple Presidencies recommend candidates directly to the First Presidency? Not sure about Patriarchs - as in I don't have any guesses as to who might recommend candidates, let alone to Area Authorities or to the First Presidency. If you dont know the SOP, I'm interested in hearing about your experiences with these types of callings and people. Thank you in advance
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