The Ongoing Restoration

[LittleNipper]

 

[Storm Rider]

On ‎10‎/‎31‎/‎2018 at 12:46 PM, stemelbow said:

He makes it sound like he's implementing changes in stages as in introducing a new business model.  how does he know when revelated changes will come?  If he knows about them why is he waiting and drawing this out?  

Seriously, a revelation comes to him and he sits on it so he can spread them out to excite the masses, keep them tuning in and all of that?  I think he's feeling good about his ideas and running with them, and then saying God's doing it.  

I guess it would be impossible - in your perspective - to receive a plan and how to implement it in a timely fashion.  I guess God may not operate on your time clock - I know it is a shock. 

[The Nehor]

On 11/3/2018 at 4:40 PM, Avatar4321 said:

I was listening to Jacob 5 and this passage reminded me of this thread:

“And the Lord of the vineyard said unto the servant: Pluck not the wild branches from the trees, save it be those which are most bitter; and in them ye shall graft according to that which I have said.

58 And we will nourish again the trees of the vineyard, and we will trim up the branches thereof; and we will pluck from the trees those branches which are ripened, that must perish, and cast them into the fire.

59 And this I do that, perhaps, the roots thereof may take strength because of their goodness; and because of the change of the branches, that the good may overcomethe evil.” Jacob 5:57-59

i wonder if that’s part of what’s going on. The Lord is grafting in new branches and pulling out bad ideas or practices

Unfortunately the branches in this allegory are usually understood to be people. Your reading is much nicer.  

Edited November 5, 2018 by The Nehor

[e-eye]

On 11/2/2018 at 11:40 AM, stemelbow said:

So if you could help me a little...what line in this revelation that we're getting bit by bit is getting added to a previous one?  

The upbuilding of Zion. Probably one of the most important prophecies to be fulfilled for our benefit.

[e-eye]

On 11/2/2018 at 9:25 AM, hope_for_things said:

I just pinged God to double check, and apparently this was a big misunderstanding.  He really wants people to be humble in their work, not hasten his work.  Big miss there by those imperfect scribes again... 

I wouldn’t expect you to do anything less. 

[The Nehor]

On 11/2/2018 at 11:25 AM, hope_for_things said:

I just pinged God to double check, and apparently this was a big misunderstanding.  He really wants people to be humble in their work, not hasten his work.  Big miss there by those imperfect scribes again... 

Well, that message might be garbled. Better hasten and be humble to be safe. Maybe throw in hirsute just in case.

[lostindc]

On 10/31/2018 at 7:12 AM, halconero said:

 

 

Sid“We're witnesses to a process of restoration,” said the prophet. “If you think the Church has been fully restored, you're just seeing the beginning. There is much more to come…Wait till next year. And then the next year. Eat your vitamin pills. Get your rest. It's going to be exciting.”

https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/latter-day-saint-prophet-wife-apostle-share-insights-global-ministry

I don’t think I’ve seen a prophet in my lifetime who is a) so open about how they receive revelation and b) so open about an ongoing restoration.

That is not a criticism or indictment of former prophets. I fully believe they were called of God to guide His Church. I also believe President Nelson has been raised up at a very special time to usher in a new period of the Church. I’m fascinated and excited to see what comes next.

Side note: “eat your vitamin pills. Get your rest” has to the cutest way of saying “buckle up.”

Never thought I would see a prophet approach the tantalizing idea of more revelation like a tv show foreshadowing a new exciting episode, a sales pitch, a coach pumping up the next season.  Why not reveal now?  Why wait?  Why do we need to eat vitamins?  This isn’t real.  I mean, we’re at the beginning, what on earth?

 

I mean, we’re talking revelation from the God of humans and everything else, and he is going to restore this God’s plan to all of us, and he tells us to wait and eat vitamins and get some rest while waiting.  This is new level stuff.

[rodheadlee]

6 hours ago, lostindc said:

Never thought I would see a prophet approach the tantalizing idea of more revelation like a tv show foreshadowing a new exciting episode, a sales pitch, a coach pumping up the next season.  Why not reveal now?  Why wait?  Why do we need to eat vitamins?  This isn’t real.  I mean, we’re at the beginning, what on earth?

 

I mean, we’re talking revelation from the God of humans and everything else, and he is going to restore this God’s plan to all of us, and he tells us to wait and eat vitamins and get some rest while waiting.  This is new level stuff.

Ecclesiastes 3.  I don't know how to cut and paste from my phone just read the first verse.

 

[halconero]

8 hours ago, lostindc said:

Never thought I would see a prophet approach the tantalizing idea of more revelation like a tv show foreshadowing a new exciting episode, a sales pitch, a coach pumping up the next season.  Why not reveal now?  Why wait?  Why do we need to eat vitamins?  This isn’t real.  I mean, we’re at the beginning, what on earth?

I mean, we’re talking revelation from the God of humans and everything else, and he is going to restore this God’s plan to all of us, and he tells us to wait and eat vitamins and get some rest while waiting.  This is new level stuff.

Jesus did this all the time with people. He drew in the sand for a while before answering the Pharisees, told the apostles to chill out in Jerusalem before they would be endowed with power, had Joseph Smith go back repeatedly over the course of a few years to look at the plates "but no touchy." In each case it was a matter of patience and readiness. Eat your vitamins and get your rest is perhaps a bit antiquated, but the message is to chill out, keep the faith, buckle up, and do what is necessary to prepare our hearts to receive such revelation.

If a simple turn of phrase is sufficient to turn us off from revelation, then how can we be expected to withstand the revelation itself? People frequently assumed Hyrum was Joseph, because Joseph was perceived as not being serious enough to be a prophet. Perhaps this is the test (a rather minor one IMO) for some.

Edited November 5, 2018 by halconero

[lostindc]

2 hours ago, halconero said:

Jesus did this all the time with people. He drew in the sand for a while before answering the Pharisees, told the apostles to chill out in Jerusalem before they would be endowed with power, had Joseph Smith go back repeatedly over the course of a few years to look at the plates "but no touchy." In each case it was a matter of patience and readiness. Eat your vitamins and get your rest is perhaps a bit antiquated, but the message is to chill out, keep the faith, buckle up, and do what is necessary to prepare our hearts to receive such revelation.

If a simple turn of phrase is sufficient to turn us off from revelation, then how can we be expected to withstand the revelation itself? People frequently assumed Hyrum was Joseph, because Joseph was perceived as not being serious enough to be a prophet. Perhaps this is the test (a rather minor one IMO) for some.

I don't think it's a test or anything like that, it's just a ridiculously silly approach.  In a time when many mock the Church over the Church's claims of ongoing revelation, to deliver the message that major revelation is really soon in the manner Nelson did is crazy, but also kind of awesome.  He's kind of like Hulk Hogan, we got to say our prayers and eat our vitamins.  We have a Hulk Hogan prophet.  That's actually sweet!

[ksfisher]

28 minutes ago, lostindc said:

I don't think it's a test or anything like that, it's just a ridiculously silly approach.  In a time when many mock the Church over the Church's claims of ongoing revelation, to deliver the message that major revelation is really soon in the manner Nelson did is crazy, but also kind of awesome.  He's kind of like Hulk Hogan, we got to say our prayers and eat our vitamins.  We have a Hulk Hogan prophet.  That's actually sweet!

So you've shot the messenger (figuratively), what do you think about the message? 

[lostindc]

16 minutes ago, ksfisher said:

So you've shot the messenger (figuratively), what do you think about the message? 

I have a totally dry and crappy sense of humor, so I agree with what you're stating.  
 

As for the message, I am really excited.  For me, significant revelation dried up a long time ago.  Now, changes in the Church tend to be decisions made as a group and not so much "Thus saith the Lord."  I think it's really cool that the Church has a prophet that states major revelations are around the corner.  

[JAHS]

On 10/31/2018 at 8:07 AM, Doctrine 612 said:

What else is there to do?

Building a new temple in the new and old Jerusalem
Translating the rest of the Book of Mormon
Receiving instructions of how to resurrect someone
Gathering of Israel
Lamanites to blossom, D&C 49:24–25
Building more temples
Records of the other other sheep to come forth (3 Nephi 16 1-4)
Preaching the gospel to the whole world
Two prophets that are to be raised up to the Jewish nation in the last days, at the time of the restoration, and to prophesy to the Jews. (D&C 77: 15)

 

Edited November 5, 2018 by JAHS

[Doctrine 612]

22 minutes ago, JAHS said:

Building a new temple in the new and old Jerusalem
Translating the rest of the Book of Mormon
Receiving instructions of how to resurrect someone
Gathering of Israel
Lamanites to blossom, D&C 49:24–25
Building more temples
Records of the other other sheep to come forth (3 Nephi 16 1-4)
Preaching the gospel to the whole world
Two prophets that are to be raised up to the Jewish nation in the last days, at the time of the restoration, and to prophesy to the Jews. (D&C 77: 15)

 

One change I think might happen is everyone in the ward will now go out to do missionary work, like the JW’s do.

[rockpond]

3 minutes ago, Doctrine 612 said:

One change I think might happen is everyone in the ward will now go out to do missionary work, like the JW’s do.

We had our regional broadcast yesterday.  Elder Holland was the concluding speaker.  He taught about the gathering of Israel and then showed the video below saying:  Here are some ideas on how we can all participate in that gathering.

I love this video and its message!

 

[Calm]

1 minute ago, Doctrine 612 said:

One change I think might happen is everyone in the ward will now go out to do missionary work, like the JW’s do.

Encouraged to do so...possibly; actually do so, probably not.  Though it might be easier for some to knock on doors rather than ask people they know if they are interested.

I don't see this as that workable in areas where one has a lot of members.  It would likely get very annoying very quickly to nonmembers if it became a requirement for a temple recommend or expected of every member.

More likely they would be appointing and training more ward missionaries, imo.

[Hamba Tuhan]

3 hours ago, rockpond said:

I love this video and its message!

Same!

(By the way, interesting URL at the end.)

Edited November 5, 2018 by Hamba Tuhan

[bluebell]

4 hours ago, rockpond said:

We had our regional broadcast yesterday.  Elder Holland was the concluding speaker.  He taught about the gathering of Israel and then showed the video below saying:  Here are some ideas on how we can all participate in that gathering.

I love this video and its message!

 

My parents had their regional conference yesterday too!  They said it was really good.

[Avatar4321]

On 11/5/2018 at 1:40 PM, JAHS said:

Building a new temple in the new and old Jerusalem
Translating the rest of the Book of Mormon
Receiving instructions of how to resurrect someone
Gathering of Israel
Lamanites to blossom, D&C 49:24–25
Building more temples
Records of the other other sheep to come forth (3 Nephi 16 1-4)
Preaching the gospel to the whole world
Two prophets that are to be raised up to the Jewish nation in the last days, at the time of the restoration, and to prophesy to the Jews. (D&C 77: 15)

 

Adam-ondi-Ahman

[Avatar4321]

On 11/5/2018 at 2:09 PM, rockpond said:

We had our regional broadcast yesterday.  Elder Holland was the concluding speaker.  He taught about the gathering of Israel and then showed the video below saying:  Here are some ideas on how we can all participate in that gathering.

I love this video and its message!

 

My stake was getting the broadcast. I was unable to attend because of family. Was it any good ?

[2BizE]

Not all change has to be revelation.  Many of the changes so far have been more business changes.  Revelation would be needed to change doctrine, not how long we go to church on Sunday.

[Hamba Tuhan]

1 minute ago, 2BizE said:

Revelation would be needed to change doctrine, not how long we go to church on Sunday.

Considering that our stake presidency recently prayed for guidance to know what times our church services should be next year, I'd be surprised if the prophets don't seek revelation in relation to all administrative changes.

[Scott Lloyd]

10 hours ago, 2BizE said:

Not all change has to be revelation.  Many of the changes so far have been more business changes.  Revelation would be needed to change doctrine, not how long we go to church on Sunday.

Are you saying, then, it would be inappropriate to ask for divine guidance (a definition of revelation) in making such a determination? Why? The reason, if there be one, is not self evident to me. 

If you say, as Happy Jack Wagon has implied, that it’s a matter too “mundane” for such guidance, I would reply that a decision impacting the weekly behavior of millions of Church members worldwide does not strike me as mundane. 

[stemelbow]

4 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said:

Are you saying, then, it would be inappropriate to ask for divine guidance (a definition of revelation) in making such a determination? Why? The reason, if there be one, is not self evident to me. 

If you say, as Happy Jack Wagon has implied, that it’s a matter too “mundane” for such guidance, I would reply that a decision impacting the weekly behavior of millions of Church members worldwide does not strike me as mundane. 

The seems all too often to be about making the mundane and trivial into something grand and magnanimous.  I'd say your response to Happy shows that.  Shortening church an hour a week, is not "impacting the weekly behavior of millions of Church members worldwide"...it's shortening church so members have an extra hour on their hands.  They'll still attend church, eat, go to work, pray, help others, cry, watch tv or movies, read their scriptures and other literary works, clean their houses, discipline their kids, visit family and friends.  What behavior do you think will change? 

[smac97]

On 11/5/2018 at 1:09 PM, rockpond said:

We had our regional broadcast yesterday.  Elder Holland was the concluding speaker.  He taught about the gathering of Israel and then showed the video below saying:  Here are some ideas on how we can all participate in that gathering.

I love this video and its message!

 

So did I.  Beautiful.

I particularly liked the "And this is organized religion" line, spoken over images of volunteers in yellow shirts helping their neighbors.  Ragging on "organized religion" is an increasingly popular thing, among both secular and sectarian folks.  But there is a lot of good that can and does come from communities of faith organizing themselves and working together.

Thanks,

-Smac