Popular Post halconero Posted October 31, 2018 Popular Post Posted October 31, 2018 (edited) Sid“We're witnesses to a process of restoration,” said the prophet. “If you think the Church has been fully restored, you're just seeing the beginning. There is much more to come…Wait till next year. And then the next year. Eat your vitamin pills. Get your rest. It's going to be exciting.” https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/latter-day-saint-prophet-wife-apostle-share-insights-global-ministry I don’t think I’ve seen a prophet in my lifetime who is a) so open about how they receive revelation and b) so open about an ongoing restoration. That is not a criticism or indictment of former prophets. I fully believe they were called of God to guide His Church. I also believe President Nelson has been raised up at a very special time to usher in a new period of the Church. I’m fascinated and excited to see what comes next. Side note: “eat your vitamin pills. Get your rest” has to the cutest way of saying “buckle up.” Edited October 31, 2018 by halconero 5
halconero Posted October 31, 2018 Author Posted October 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, Doctrine 612 said: What else is there to do? A lot.
The Nehor Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 4 minutes ago, Doctrine 612 said: What else is there to do? 4
stemelbow Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 He makes it sound like he's implementing changes in stages as in introducing a new business model. how does he know when revelated changes will come? If he knows about them why is he waiting and drawing this out? Seriously, a revelation comes to him and he sits on it so he can spread them out to excite the masses, keep them tuning in and all of that? I think he's feeling good about his ideas and running with them, and then saying God's doing it.
Popular Post The Nehor Posted October 31, 2018 Popular Post Posted October 31, 2018 24 minutes ago, stemelbow said: He makes it sound like he's implementing changes in stages as in introducing a new business model. how does he know when revelated changes will come? If he knows about them why is he waiting and drawing this out? Seriously, a revelation comes to him and he sits on it so he can spread them out to excite the masses, keep them tuning in and all of that? I think he's feeling good about his ideas and running with them, and then saying God's doing it. Or he is implementing them in stages as directed by revelation to avoid overwhelming everyone. 6
ksfisher Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 36 minutes ago, stemelbow said: He makes it sound like he's implementing changes in stages as in introducing a new business model. how does he know when revelated changes will come? If he knows about them why is he waiting and drawing this out? Seriously, a revelation comes to him and he sits on it so he can spread them out to excite the masses, keep them tuning in and all of that? I think he's feeling good about his ideas and running with them, and then saying God's doing it. When going up stairs do you take all of them at once, or one at a time? 2
MiserereNobis Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 51 minutes ago, stemelbow said: He makes it sound like he's implementing changes in stages as in introducing a new business model. how does he know when revelated changes will come? If he knows about them why is he waiting and drawing this out? Seriously, a revelation comes to him and he sits on it so he can spread them out to excite the masses, keep them tuning in and all of that? I think he's feeling good about his ideas and running with them, and then saying God's doing it. Aren't you just the party pooper 3
MiserereNobis Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 3 hours ago, halconero said: “We're witnesses to a process of restoration,” said the prophet. “If you think the Church has been fully restored, you're just seeing the beginning. There is much more to come…Wait till next year. And then the next year. Eat your vitamin pills. Get your rest. It's going to be exciting.” I hope so. I'd like to see something beyond policy/logistics (18 year old missionaries, renaming home teaching, 2 hour block, no more "Mormon", etc). For a church that claims continuing revelation, you guys are long overdue for something that is different than the types of changes that go on regularly in other churches. 3
halconero Posted October 31, 2018 Author Posted October 31, 2018 12 minutes ago, MiserereNobis said: I hope so. I'd like to see something beyond policy/logistics (18 year old missionaries, renaming home teaching, 2 hour block, no more "Mormon", etc). For a church that claims continuing revelation, you guys are long overdue for something that is different than the types of changes that go on regularly in other churches. Agreed, though I wonder how much of that is due to the "capacities of the Saints." I use that phrase from an old encyclopedia of religion (written 1911) I found, describing the Church, from a somewhat neutral party. It said "the church is progressive: adding revelations and changes adapted to the needs and the capacities of its members." 2
RevTestament Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, MiserereNobis said: I hope so. I'd like to see something beyond policy/logistics (18 year old missionaries, renaming home teaching, 2 hour block, no more "Mormon", etc). For a church that claims continuing revelation, you guys are long overdue for something that is different than the types of changes that go on regularly in other churches. Actually, I think it's the end of the restoration. Now it's time for the restoration to be completed, and to move beyond. How do you restore mysteries no man knew? That doesn't seem like much of a restoration. Some things are perhaps just a restoration to the way God originally intended, but maybe man never got - is that what is meant by "Things no man ever knew?" I think some things will become plainer, that's for sure, but I believe there will be new revelations - things not revealed before such as the order of heaven. They lay dormant, secret, and not understood. New revelation will bring them to light in a more complete way. Perhaps that is what is meant by the mystery of God being finished. Whatever that means, it is more than man has comprehended to date. Edited October 31, 2018 by RevTestament typos
Avatar4321 Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 Was just about to post this. the changes so far have been intense. Can’t imagine what will happen next year. But I am excited 1
pogi Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 4 hours ago, halconero said: There is much more to come…Wait till next year. And then the next year. Dang, that is pushing pretty close to the centenarian mark... I hope he lives to see all his visions fulfilled. So far, he is looking remarkably strong for 94, so I wouldn't say it is impossible.
stemelbow Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, The Nehor said: Or he is implementing them in stages as directed by revelation to avoid overwhelming everyone. Is that how revelation works? “I will reveal all of it to you but you must follow this calendar of events in giving only abit at a time. If you don’t I’ll take away that which you have.” Edited October 31, 2018 by stemelbow
stemelbow Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 2 hours ago, ksfisher said: When going up stairs do you take all of them at once, or one at a time? A single bound for me
Hamba Tuhan Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 7 hours ago, halconero said: I don’t think I’ve seen a prophet in my lifetime who is a) so open about how they receive revelation and b) so open about an ongoing restoration. FWIW, as I've noted several times before on this forum, nearly four years ago Elder Bednar was here for a priesthood leadership training meeting, and he basically said the same things. And I remember reading something from Elder Holland around the same time. I think maybe we haven't fully been listening? 3 hours ago, RevTestament said: Actually, I think it's the end of the restoration. Elder Bednar told us we'd finally finished laying the 'foundation of the Restoration' and were finally ready to start building the actual structure. 2 hours ago, pogi said: I hope he lives to see all his visions fulfilled. If not, I am confident that his successor/s will. The visions don't belong to a single man. 1 hour ago, stemelbow said: Is that how revelation works? “I will reveal all of it to you but you must follow this calendar of events in giving only abit at a time ..." You sound like someone who's never read the allegory of the olive tree in Jacob 5. 2
The Nehor Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 2 hours ago, stemelbow said: Is that how revelation works? “I will reveal all of it to you but you must follow this calendar of events in giving only abit at a time. If you don’t I’ll take away that which you have.” Occasionally. More often it is “I will tell you all of this but you cannot share it with anyone.” 2
stemelbow Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 6 minutes ago, The Nehor said: Occasionally. More often it is “I will tell you all of this but you cannot share it with anyone.” Considering the himdruminess of it it seems more like revelation comes with zero such instruction.
The Nehor Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 1 hour ago, stemelbow said: Considering the himdruminess of it it seems more like revelation comes with zero such instruction. It is not all humdrum. Just a substantial portion. And it does not necessarily come with that instruction. The scriptures cover what we can and should share: "And now Alma began to expound these things unto him, saying: It is given unto many to know the mysteries of God; nevertheless they are laid under a strict command that they shall not impart only according to the portion of his word which he doth grant unto the children of men, according to the heed and diligence which they give unto him. And therefore, he that will harden his heart, the same receiveth the lesser portion of the word; and he that will not harden his heart, to him is given the greater portion of the word, until it is given unto him to know the mysteries of God until he know them in full. And they that will harden their hearts, to them is given the lesser portion of the word until they know nothing concerning his mysteries; and then they are taken captive by the devil, and led by his will down to destruction. Now this is what is meant by the chains of hell." 2
JLHPROF Posted November 1, 2018 Posted November 1, 2018 5 hours ago, pogi said: Dang, that is pushing pretty close to the centenarian mark... I hope he lives to see all his visions fulfilled. So far, he is looking remarkably strong for 94, so I wouldn't say it is impossible. Either like Joseph Smith he feels pressed to complete his vision before his impending death. Or the next prophet will put his own version in place.
Sine Saw Square Posted November 1, 2018 Posted November 1, 2018 5 hours ago, stemelbow said: A single bound for me Every day is leg day.
jpv Posted November 1, 2018 Posted November 1, 2018 11 hours ago, MiserereNobis said: I hope so. I'd like to see something beyond policy/logistics (18 year old missionaries, renaming home teaching, 2 hour block, no more "Mormon", etc). For a church that claims continuing revelation, you guys are long overdue for something that is different than the types of changes that go on regularly in other churches. I want to do a thread on this because there was so much quibbling over terminology in the D&C 138 thread, but I think you're right, plenty of administrative/organizational revelation but no public doctrinal/theological revelation for 100 years since that revelation (138). Would love to have someone point out where I'm wrong. Even OD2 was a restoration of JS policies and practices, not new theology.
The Nehor Posted November 1, 2018 Posted November 1, 2018 55 minutes ago, jpv said: I want to do a thread on this because there was so much quibbling over terminology in the D&C 138 thread, but I think you're right, plenty of administrative/organizational revelation but no public doctrinal/theological revelation for 100 years since that revelation (138). Would love to have someone point out where I'm wrong. Even OD2 was a restoration of JS policies and practices, not new theology. Nah, there has been quite a bit. Our understanding of the atonement has been deepened in many ways with enhanced details, the further explanations and understanding of what the Father and the Son both endured in the atonement, the way women operate with the power of the Priesthood even though they do not currently hold it (always true, but not spoke of), some of the mercies held out to those amongst us with emotional and mental and physical problems have been expounded, the requirements for exaltation have been clarified in what perfection means, and much much more. 2
rockpond Posted November 1, 2018 Posted November 1, 2018 (edited) So next February/March when church members are buzzing about and making predictions for what will be announced in April conf, now we know why. Edited November 1, 2018 by rockpond
Avatar4321 Posted November 1, 2018 Posted November 1, 2018 So what is the structure of the restoration supposed to look like? If we are just finishing the foundations that means we’ve just started 1
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