Calm Posted February 12, 2021 Author Posted February 12, 2021 (edited) 25 minutes ago, 3DOP said: Surely Mom would be unhappily dead already if they had allowed her to have seen her children, grandchildren, or great grandchildren in the last nine months This is one of the reasons I am glad my mom went when she did. With her dementia, she very much enjoyed being around people, getting attention, but didn’t want to put in work to get it (she refused to even ask someone to help her to visit in the tents setup for visiting over summer and fall) so there wasn’t a lot of face to face contact and always a window between though she got calls frequently (nightly from one of my sisters who lives alone). Normally I wouldn’t feel the need to dress her to prepare for burial because I don’t see the body as anything but an empty shell, but she hadn’t been touched by family for six months and it just seemed necessary to give even the empty shell some physical affection). The last month she was expressing more fear about what was happening to her and it was obvious she was needing more attention and getting less because she wasn’t asking for it and resisting that was offered (eating in dining area and other activities). There was no good solution at that point. With the dementia, what she needed for reassurance was not words over a phone that would be forgotten so quickly, but hugs and holding her hands and being there with her. So grateful it was quick and painless for her. If she had been hospitalized they would have had to sedate her most likely, which would have led to more confusion. I don’t think I would have been able to deal very well if she had been hospitalized during the time they were barring any visitors. It is heartbreaking seeing families separated when emotionally it is a time we are meant to be together, to support those suffering and to get a chance to say goodbye, maybe even deal with some issues so they are no longer hanging over us. I was grateful for the efforts to keep them quarantined, as it was the residence was hit twice in the six months with COVID. No one got sick with it though, so the exposure must have been very limited. But it was a no win situation. Edited February 12, 2021 by Calm 2
rodheadlee Posted February 12, 2021 Posted February 12, 2021 (edited) 14 hours ago, 3DOP said: Hmmm. Rod...disappointed... #1) 100 what? Meters? What's that? I thought you were American. #2) Hussein Bolt does a hundred meters in around 11 seconds. 15 minutes! 15 minutes? You are proud of doing a hundred meters in 15 minutes. Lets try 25 seconds at our ages. I would be impressed at that. I think I would need at least twice as much time as Mr. Bolt. #3) Glad for your non side effects. --------- #4) Mom supposedly has this Covid. She lives about a mile (not that 60% kilometer Rod) away. I have power of attorney. Meeting with the doctor tomorrow. They ordinarily don't even let family talk to her on the telephone for fear of this Covid. They actually let my sister talk to her on the phone today! Good thing they have been keeping us away from her. Surely Mom would be unhappily dead already if they had allowed her to have seen her children, grandchildren, or great grandchildren in the last nine months. She would so have regretted being dead having been with loved ones than alive alone. Mom much prefers life alone than death with loved ones...So reasons authority. "She might die if we often let you selfish children of hers talk to her on the phone whenever you want!" But we need you to approve our latest method of keeping your mother's body alive without seeing any of her family again. Cancer is in the thyroid now. This supposed Covid is also supposedly present. Can't let her die so quick without family from that. Please let us give her lots of expensive medicine without family that Medicaid will cover. We want you to approve the latest experimental methods that will keep her Cancer/Covid body alive without family. #5) Yeah. #4 wasn't my best moment. My poor Mom. This is hard...Her name is Mrs. McKenzie if you would say a prayer. #6) You are one of my favorites around here Rod. God bless. 3DOP I live in Mexico now so I'm getting used to meters. The classic Sci-fi books I read everything's in kilometers. I will certainly say a prayer for your mom. Edited February 12, 2021 by rodheadlee 2
strappinglad Posted February 12, 2021 Posted February 12, 2021 33 minutes ago, rodheadlee said: #2) Hussein Bolt does a hundred meters in around 11 seconds. I know this isn't rod's quote , but for future reference , it's Usain Bolt and the record is 9.58 seconds. 2
strappinglad Posted February 12, 2021 Posted February 12, 2021 (edited) Back to the OP. I am missing something. From the numbers we are looking at a virus which doesn't infect / hasn't infected about 92% of the population and we are looking at a vaccine that protects about (90% +/- ) of those vaccinated. Help me out here. So if 100% of the population were vaccinated , 90% would be protected. Hmmm Edited February 12, 2021 by strappinglad
juliann Posted February 13, 2021 Posted February 13, 2021 Interesting.... https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-124394/v2 Background: Narratives about complaints in children and adolescents caused by wearing a mask are accumulating. There is, to date, no registry for side effects of masks. Methods: At the University of Witten/Herdecke an online registry has been set up where parents, doctors, pedagogues and others can enter their observations. On 20.10.2020, 363 doctors were asked to make entries and to make parents and teachers aware of the registry. Results: By 26.10.2020 the registry had been used by 20,353 people. In this publication we report the results from the parents, who entered data on a total of 25,930 children. The average wearing time of the mask was 270 minutes per day. Impairments caused by wearing the mask were reported by 68% of the parents. These included irritability (60%), headache (53%), difficulty concentrating (50%), less happiness (49%), reluctance to go to school/kindergarten (44%), malaise (42%) impaired learning (38%) and drowsiness or fatigue (37%). Discussion: This world's first registry for recording the effects of wearing masks in children is dedicated to a new research question. Bias with respect to preferential documentation of children who are particularly severely affected or who are fundamentally critical of protective measures cannot be dismissed. The frequency of the registry’s use and the spectrum of symptoms registryed indicate the importance of the topic and call for representative surveys, randomized controlled trials with various masks and a renewed risk-benefit assessment for the vulnerable group of children: adults need to collecticely reflect the circumstances under which they would be willing to take a residual risk upon themselves in favor of enabling children to have a higher quality of life without having to wear a mask. 1
Popular Post pogi Posted February 13, 2021 Popular Post Posted February 13, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, strappinglad said: Back to the OP. I am missing something. From the numbers we are looking at a virus which doesn't infect / hasn't infected about 92% of the population and we are looking at a vaccine that protects about (90% +/- ) of those vaccinated. Help me out here. So if 100% of the population were vaccinated , 90% would be protected. Hmmm If 100% of the population were vaccinated, 100% would be protected. Even if 5-10% were susceptible to the disease, herd immunity would protect them from exposure. And in the rare chance that they did become exposed, the vaccine would prevent severe morbidity and/or mortality. In theory, per the limited data we have. Edited February 13, 2021 by pogi 5
Calm Posted February 13, 2021 Author Posted February 13, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, juliann said: . Impairments caused by wearing the mask were reported by 68% of the parents. These included irritability (60%), headache (53%), difficulty concentrating (50%), less happiness (49%), reluctance to go to school/kindergarten (44%), malaise (42%) impaired learning (38%) and drowsiness or fatigue (37%). I don’t think we can actually claim these were caused by the mask as it may be the circumstances that require the mask that are stressing the kids...none of the above surprises me whether kids are wearing masks or not. Randomized tests would help determine if it is the mask or the general circumstances causing the majority of the issues. At the very least they need to determine the parents’ attitudes towards masks and other restrictions as that might be having more of an effect than the mask itself. Quote adults need to collecticely reflect the circumstances under which they would be willing to take a residual risk upon themselves in favor of enabling children to have a higher quality of life without having to wear a mask. Teachers I have heard discuss this are just as concerned or even more concerned with infecting children than the risk for themselves. Edited February 13, 2021 by Calm 4
bluebell Posted February 14, 2021 Posted February 14, 2021 On 2/12/2021 at 8:25 PM, Calm said: Teachers I have heard discuss this are just as concerned or even more concerned with infecting children than the risk for themselves. The risk to kids appears to be incredibly low. So that's good. It doesn't seem like anything that the teachers really have to worry that much about, so hopefully they can have less stress from that. In my kids schools in Davis county Utah, there has been no school spread. Our elementary has never had more than 5 cases at a time (and that only happened once a couple of months ago). Our high school hasn't had any cases that I'm aware of in students. Some teachers have had it (not spread from school contact). And we've been in class 4 days a week since September (since August for the high school). But both schools have mandated masks and social distancing as much as possible. 1
Calm Posted February 15, 2021 Author Posted February 15, 2021 For anyone feeling overwhelmed by Covid...could be worse. https://www.who.int/csr/don/10-february-2021-ebola-drc/en/ Cholera and measles in this day and age is just so wrong. And they are an ongoing problem as this from Sept 2019 shows: https://www.afro.who.int/news/ebola-cholera-and-measles-triple-threats-poorest-communities-democratic-republic-congo https://reliefweb.int/report/democratic-republic-congo/drc-bracing-contain-ebola-outbreak-guinea-another-african-country I don’t know why, but this struck me as rather moving...maybe the simple practicalness of it...I was expecting something like ‘faith leaders and government officials’. Quote “Thankfully, World Vision had trained and equipped faith leaders and motor cycle riders on how to help their communities contain such outbreaks. This provides a ready and available force for effective community engagement to safeguard families, especially children,” Anne-Marie Connor, the National Director for World Vision in DRC explains 1
bsjkki Posted February 15, 2021 Posted February 15, 2021 My 24-year-old school teacher niece got her 2nd shot Saturday. She got very ill. Stayed in bed over 24 hours, fever and body aches. Her 90 year old grandpa had a sore arm. I wonder if she had covid previously and did not know it? 1
Rain Posted February 15, 2021 Posted February 15, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, bsjkki said: My 24-year-old school teacher niece got her 2nd shot Saturday. She got very ill. Stayed in bed over 24 hours, fever and body aches. Her 90 year old grandpa had a sore arm. I wonder if she had covid previously and did not know it? I don't think there is any way to check it out after the fact is there? I'm thinking to study it you would have to do the antibody test right before both the first and second shot. Edited February 16, 2021 by Rain 2
Hamba Tuhan Posted February 15, 2021 Posted February 15, 2021 2 hours ago, bsjkki said: My 24-year-old school teacher niece got her 2nd shot Saturday. She got very ill. Stayed in bed over 24 hours, fever and body aches. Her 90 year old grandpa had a sore arm. My sister in America got her second jab last week. She said she had fever, chills and aches all night long but felt better by the morning. 1
Popular Post bluebell Posted February 15, 2021 Popular Post Posted February 15, 2021 Utah was under 500 new cases today, so that is really good news. I think it's been months since we've been down that low. 7
Popular Post The Nehor Posted February 16, 2021 Popular Post Posted February 16, 2021 The pandemic in North Texas was at a bar complaining that it couldn't keep people indoors. The weather responded: "Hold my beer." 5
Peacefully Posted February 16, 2021 Posted February 16, 2021 1 hour ago, The Nehor said: The pandemic in North Texas was at a bar complaining that it couldn't keep people indoors. The weather responded: "Hold my beer." Yep, we’ve been 13 hrs without power and it is 10 degrees. Fun times! 2
The Nehor Posted February 16, 2021 Posted February 16, 2021 41 minutes ago, Peacefully said: Yep, we’ve been 13 hrs without power and it is 10 degrees. Fun times! If you are nearby you can come over. Mine is still working for now. My brother lost power. I was about to go get him when it came back on. One of our local church buildings just flooded. 3
Peacefully Posted February 16, 2021 Posted February 16, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, The Nehor said: If you are nearby you can come over. Mine is still working for now. My brother lost power. I was about to go get him when it came back on. One of our local church buildings just flooded. Thank you for the offer! We are good so far. Hubby is keeping the fire going and we have lots of layers. Luckily, my daughter, sil and grandbaby were able go and stay with family members who still have power. Which building was flooded? We are in west Ft. Worth. Edited February 16, 2021 by Peacefully 3
Peacefully Posted February 17, 2021 Posted February 17, 2021 Power is back after 37 hours off the grid. We will definitely be upgrading our emergency supplies. We were not as prepared as we should have been. Hubby had to forage for wood in the greenbelt today. It was interesting how figuring out how to work, stay warm and eat displaced thoughts of the pandemic for 37 hours. Our minds are amazing at prioritizing what is important at any given moment. Of course, our area is not out of the woods, yet. More snow expected tonight. 4
The Nehor Posted February 17, 2021 Posted February 17, 2021 Had a fun adventure at the church building trying to find the water cutoff valve to keep everything from freezing. Then almost fell into the ice cold font while draining the system. Good times. 4
Calm Posted February 17, 2021 Author Posted February 17, 2021 2 hours ago, The Nehor said: Had a fun adventure at the church building trying to find the water cutoff valve to keep everything from freezing. Then almost fell into the ice cold font while draining the system. Good times. Are they using any of the buildings as emergency shelters or is it not that kind of problem? Plus Covid concerns.
Peacefully Posted February 17, 2021 Posted February 17, 2021 (edited) This does not sound good: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2268014-exclusive-two-variants-have-merged-into-heavily-mutated-coronavirus/ Recombination doesn’t sound like a big problem, yet, so maybe getting more people vaccinated will bring the numbers down so these little buggers stop mutating and merging. Edited February 17, 2021 by Peacefully 1
provoman Posted February 18, 2021 Posted February 18, 2021 So just a anecdote. My neighbor has covid, for about two weeks now. I asked what it like compared to a bad flu. The response was it is the worst thing experienced, the roller coaster of body aches, thick mucus, loss of appetite, vomiting, diarrhea, thirst coupled with hesitancy to drink liquids due to vomiting, loss of taste and smell, anxiety of not knowing when or if taste or smell will come back. Thankfully, none of the 5 children (infant to teenager) got sick, nor the spouse. 2
The Nehor Posted February 18, 2021 Posted February 18, 2021 On 2/17/2021 at 2:05 AM, Calm said: Are they using any of the buildings as emergency shelters or is it not that kind of problem? Plus Covid concerns. I know at least one building in my area was designated as an emergency shelter but I don’t know how many (if any) used it. Power problems were not that severe in this area except for a few areas on Monday. Houston is where it may have been needed.
smac97 Posted February 19, 2021 Posted February 19, 2021 Herd immunity by April? See this Op-Ed in the Wall Street Journal (by Dr. Marty Markary, a professor at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine) : Quote Amid the dire Covid warnings, one crucial fact has been largely ignored: Cases are down 77% over the past six weeks. If a medication slashed cases by 77%, we’d call it a miracle pill. Why is the number of cases plummeting much faster than experts predicted? In large part because natural immunity from prior infection is far more common than can be measured by testing. Testing has been capturing only from 10% to 25% of infections, depending on when during the pandemic someone got the virus. Applying a time-weighted case capture average of 1 in 6.5 to the cumulative 28 million confirmed cases would mean about 55% of Americans have natural immunity. Now add people getting vaccinated. As of this week, 15% of Americans have received the vaccine, and the figure is rising fast. Former Food and Drug Commissioner Scott Gottlieb estimates 250 million doses will have been delivered to some 150 million people by the end of March. There is reason to think the country is racing toward an extremely low level of infection. As more people have been infected, most of whom have mild or no symptoms, there are fewer Americans left to be infected. At the current trajectory, I expect Covid will be mostly gone by April, allowing Americans to resume normal life. His lips to God's ears. Quote Covid-19 deaths in the U.S. would also suggest much broader immunity than recognized. About 1 in 600 Americans has died of Covid-19, which translates to a population fatality rate of about 0.15%. The Covid-19 infection fatality rate is about 0.23%. These numbers indicate that roughly two-thirds of the U.S. population has had the infection. ... I have argued for months that we could save more American lives if those with prior Covid-19 infection forgo vaccines until all vulnerable seniors get their first dose. Several studies demonstrate that natural immunity should protect those who had Covid-19 until more vaccines are available. Half my friends in the medical community told me: Good idea. The other half said there isn’t enough data on natural immunity, despite the fact that reinfections have occurred in less than 1% of people—and when they do occur, the cases are mild. Hmm. Quote My prediction that Covid-19 will be mostly gone by April is based on laboratory data, mathematical data, published literature and conversations with experts. But it’s also based on direct observation of how hard testing has been to get, especially for the poor. If you live in a wealthy community where worried people are vigilant about getting tested, you might think that most infections are captured by testing. But if you have seen the many barriers to testing for low-income Americans, you might think that very few infections have been captured at testing centers. Keep in mind that most infections are asymptomatic, which still triggers natural immunity. His closing paragraph is somewhat troubling: Quote Some medical experts privately agreed with my prediction that there may be very little Covid-19 by April but suggested that I not to talk publicly about herd immunity because people might become complacent and fail to take precautions or might decline the vaccine. But scientists shouldn’t try to manipulate the public by hiding the truth. As we encourage everyone to get a vaccine, we also need to reopen schools and society to limit the damage of closures and prolonged isolation. Contingency planning for an open economy by April can deliver hope to those in despair and to those who have made large personal sacrifices. Thanks, -Smac 2
Stargazer Posted February 19, 2021 Posted February 19, 2021 On 2/4/2021 at 9:58 PM, Harry T. Clark said: This is why I want to wait and see what happens with this before taking the dive and getting the shot. There are too many of these anecdotal stories of bad reactions to the vaccine. The last time I took the flu shot, I had the same bad experience as some of the above have had with the covid vaccine. It gave me an intense fever for half of a day and then I was fine. However, I thought I was going to die during that half of a day. Not fun. My body's reactions to any and all vaccinations have been basically "Meh." I got a flu shot once about 15ish years ago, and got no reaction, but that's the only time I've done that. I haven't gotten the flu either in so long that I don't remember the last time. My wife said that the time I was "offline" for a week during our courtship five years ago (which was done long-distance over email) might have been the flu, but I doubt that highly. It was a very bad cold -- flu has always given me nausea, vomiting, and fever. I can't remember the last time I ran a fever, either, except that it was something like 20 years ago, and I don't think it was flu, but it might have been. All in all, my immune system seems to be right on top of things. Either that, or I have been incredibly lucky. But I am not foolish enough to think my armor has no chinks. So, when offered the Covid vaccine (the Pfizer one), I went for it. That was last week. The info sheet outlined all the likely, unlikely, and very rare reactions possible, but I think it was a fake Covid shot, because I didn't even get a sore spot on my arm. My second shot is scheduled for April. They say that the second shot gets more of a reaction than the first. I shall try to remember to report on it here. I'm nearly 70 and have been in good health all my life. I credit my parents for my immune system.
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