Covid II: Medical Info and Implications

[bsjkki]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/new-israeli-drug-cured-moderate-to-serious-covid-cases-within-days-hospital/

[mfbukowski]

18 minutes ago, Peacefully said:

From CDC.gov: 

A Closer Look at How COVID-19 mRNA Vaccines Work

COVID-19 mRNA vaccines give instructions for our cells to make a harmless piece of what is called the “spike protein.” The spike protein is found on the surface of the virus that causes COVID-19.

COVID-19 mRNA vaccines are given in the upper arm muscle. Once the instructions (mRNA) are inside the immune cells, the cells use them to make the protein piece. After the protein piece is made, the cell breaks down the instructions and gets rid of them.

Next, the cell displays the protein piece on its surface. Our immune systems recognize that the protein doesn’t belong there and begin building an immune response and making antibodies, like what happens in natural infection against COVID-19.

At the end of the process, our bodies have learned how to protect against future infection. The benefit of mRNA vaccines, like all vaccines, is those vaccinated gain this protection without ever having to risk the serious consequences of getting sick with COVID-19.

So the body is reacting to the spike only, but not to the larger protein piece that actually causes the Mrna to reproduce and cause the disease? Right?

 So how do they get scissors tiny enough to just cut off the spikes?

 Seriously that kind of makes sense even to me. Thanks.

 

Edited February 6, 2021 by mfbukowski

[Hamba Tuhan]

3 hours ago, Calm said:

“AstraZeneca's vaccine is highly effective against the U.K. variant. In a study published online Thursday in The Lancet, researchers reported that the vaccine developed by the University of Oxford and AstraZeneca is effective against the highly transmissible U.K. variant and works even better against more established versions of the virus.

Excellent. We are planning to administer a number of vaccines in our program, but I was told this will probably be the one I get.

2 hours ago, Calm said:

“The Russian vaccine is safe and effective, a study has found. Interim trial data published in The Lancet on Tuesday indicated that Russia’s Sputnik V vaccine is 91.6 percent effective against symptomatic COVID-19, and 100 percent effective against severe and moderate disease.

I do wonder if one of the good things that might come out of this pandemic is a much altered approach to the development of vaccines. What has happened in the past 12 months is literally unprecedented ... and quite exciting.

[Calm]

20 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

And so this seems to say- or DOES say that vaccinated people can pass on the illness.

Why does this not apply to my question then?

I said it tied into your question, not that it didn’t apply. 
 

Vaccinated people can be contagious, because they may get infected, including ones infected before ....though they get infected not from the vaccine, but from the environment they live in just as everyone does. 
 

But it also possible I am guessing, that when antibodies are triggered in someone who was already sick, their body reacts in the same way as it learned to react before because antibodies are signs to the body of infection.  This doesn’t mean the virus itself is growing in their body and causing it. 

Edited February 6, 2021 by Calm

[Calm]

2 hours ago, Hamba Tuhan said:

Excellent. We are planning to administer a number of vaccines in our program, but I was told this will probably be the one I get.

I do wonder if one of the good things that might come out of this pandemic is a much altered approach to the development of vaccines. What has happened in the past 12 months is literally unprecedented ... and quite exciting.

I have heard projections that the benefit in technology improvement just in the vaccination side of things long term could be huge. 

[Calm]

4 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

But that's the problem.

If it triggers the symptoms why cannot it be contagious?

 

Very simplified:  There are symptoms directly caused by the virus (cell death) and symptoms caused by the body fighting back...sometimes in self destructive ways.  If the virus is really there, you are contagious. If it isn’t and the body just thinks it is or has a secondary problem, not contagious. 

[mfbukowski]

15 hours ago, Peacefully said:

From CDC.gov: 

A Closer Look at How COVID-19 mRNA Vaccines Work

COVID-19 mRNA vaccines give instructions for our cells to make a harmless piece of what is called the “spike protein.” The spike protein is found on the surface of the virus that causes COVID-19.

COVID-19 mRNA vaccines are given in the upper arm muscle. Once the instructions (mRNA) are inside the immune cells, the cells use them to make the protein piece. After the protein piece is made, the cell breaks down the instructions and gets rid of them.

Next, the cell displays the protein piece on its surface. Our immune systems recognize that the protein doesn’t belong there and begin building an immune response and making antibodies, like what happens in natural infection against COVID-19.

At the end of the process, our bodies have learned how to protect against future infection. The benefit of mRNA vaccines, like all vaccines, is those vaccinated gain this protection without ever having to risk the serious consequences of getting sick with COVID-19.

Thanks. That's all I needed to know.

No live virus. We hope.

As a kid I actually got cowpox when injected against smallpox. That wasn't supposed to happen either.

 I am just waiting for another smallpox Epidemic so I can be the last person alive on Earth.👹👿

 

[Harry T. Clark]

On 2/5/2021 at 4:22 PM, The Nehor said:

Probably because we have now exceeded the death toll for the entire four years of the Second World War in one year so the economics are very secondary to anyone who values life over wealth.

The majority doesn't have the danger you want to falsely claim by your fearmongering.  https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/11/18/covid-infection-fatality-rates-sex-and-age-15163

It's real and deadly but it doesn't affect everyone equally, allowing society to target the response.  The above bolded statement is simply nonsense and simplistic.  It isn't either or.  The world didn't need California's response as shown by Florida.

 

[pogi]

12 hours ago, Harry T. Clark said:

The majority doesn't have the danger you want to falsely claim by your fearmongering.  https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/11/18/covid-infection-fatality-rates-sex-and-age-15163

It's real and deadly but it doesn't affect everyone equally, allowing society to target the response.  The above bolded statement is simply nonsense and simplistic.  It isn't either or.  The world didn't need California's response as shown by Florida.

 

What is your proposal to “target the response”?  The rest of us go on living life as normal?   Open stadiums, no masks mandates, shoulder to shoulder concerts with thousands of people, No distancing anywhere, etc...How does that work realistically to lower the death toll and hospitalizations?  Do we ship all vulnerable people off to an isolated island for several years?  What is your plan exactly 

Edited February 7, 2021 by pogi

[The Nehor]

On 2/6/2021 at 2:05 AM, Calm said:

I have heard projections that the benefit in technology improvement just in the vaccination side of things long term could be huge. 

I have heard this as well. There is a real possibility of a universal flu vaccine in the next few decades which would save a lot of lives.

[The Nehor]

On 2/6/2021 at 9:15 PM, Harry T. Clark said:

The majority doesn't have the danger you want to falsely claim by your fearmongering.  https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/11/18/covid-infection-fatality-rates-sex-and-age-15163

It's real and deadly but it doesn't affect everyone equally, allowing society to target the response.  The above bolded statement is simply nonsense and simplistic.  It isn't either or.  The world didn't need California's response as shown by Florida.

 

It is amazing how those insisting it is not so bad keep shifting who had the ideal response. Early it was Sweden and than they got it bad. Then it was the Midwest of the US who had fewer cases until that stopped being so true. Look at the nations that have had long term success keeping infected numbers low. They all used mask mandates, contact tracing, and aggressively contained the virus. Pointing at one state that might just be lucky for a little while is silly.

[rodheadlee]

I get my first dose Wednesday at 1:50pm. My wife is only 64, she has to wait

[Peacefully]

Going for my second Moderna shot tomorrow. Sounds like I may need a booster soon. 

What's next: The emergence of coronavirus variants that may render vaccines less effective has Moderna preparing booster shots — something that's easier to do with the mRNA platform.

• The COVID-19 vaccines made by Moderna and other companies could become a recurring product, just as the seasonal flu shot is now.

https://www.axios.com/moderna-ceo-coronavirus-variants-vaccines-499c15c3-f740-4298-a4f1-e151a93a35f2.html

[Calm]

From EDH:

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Weekly infections and hospitalizations have seen the largest decline since the outbreak started. The United States recorded a 25 percent decline in new COVID-19 infections to about 825,000. That’s the biggest fall since the pandemic began, according to Reuters. Cases have progressively dropped over the past four weeks, and the country has tallied fewer than 100,000 new daily infections for two days straight. California was the state with the steepest drop for the week ending February 7, with 48 percent fewer infections. Hospitalizations also logged their biggest decline as the number of coronavirus patients in our nation’s hospitals shrank by 15 percent to 88,000.

There is concern though that the variants may interfere with the decline.

Also the possibility of a surge due to Super Bowl gatherings. 

Edited February 10, 2021 by Calm

[Hamba Tuhan]

17 minutes ago, Calm said:

From EDH:

There is concern though that the variants may interfere with the decline.

It's always wise to be cautious in these cases, but I've been closely watching the declines in both the US and UK in the wake of their vaccination programs, and it's exciting. We may well be on the cusp of re-establishing (for those who don't understand) why vaccines are miracles.

[Rain]

6 minutes ago, Hamba Tuhan said:

It's always wise to be cautious in these cases, but I've been closely watching the declines in both the US and UK in the wake of their vaccination programs, and it's exciting. We may well be on the cusp of re-establishing (for those who don't understand) why vaccines are miracles.

My friends son is a physical therapist.  He says that many more older people are coming in again because they have had the vaccine.  

Edited February 10, 2021 by Rain

[Calm]

57 minutes ago, Rain said:

My friends son is a physical therapist.  He says that many more older people are coming in again because they have had the vaccine.  

I will likely be doing exactly that when I get my second dose...unless the variants show up a lot more in my area.  I stopped because they refused to enforce masks and were not cautious about distancing etc. 

Edited February 10, 2021 by Calm

[Peacefully]

We received our second vaccine yesterday. I’ve had a headache and fatigue. My husband’s arm is really sore. 

Edited February 11, 2021 by Peacefully

[Peacefully]

Here’s something I found interesting: https://theconversation.com/all-the-coronavirus-in-the-world-could-fit-inside-a-coke-can-with-plenty-of-room-to-spare-154226

[MiserereNobis]

I got my 2nd Pfizer dose yesterday. I had a rough night last night with body aches (especially in my joints) and chills. No fever, though. It wasn't fun, but I'm glad I knew that it wasn't out of the ordinary. I'm taking today off of work.

I saw that the CDC now says that fully vaccinated people (both doses, 14 days after booster dose) do not need to quarantine after exposure:

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/538384-cdc-fully-vaccinated-people-dont-need-to-quarantine-after-covid-exposure

 

[juliann]

53 minutes ago, MiserereNobis said:

I got my 2nd Pfizer dose yesterday. I had a rough night last night with body aches (especially in my joints) and chills. No fever, though. It wasn't fun, but I'm glad I knew that it wasn't out of the ordinary. I'm taking today off of work.

I saw that the CDC now says that fully vaccinated people (both doses, 14 days after booster dose) do not need to quarantine after exposure:

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/538384-cdc-fully-vaccinated-people-dont-need-to-quarantine-after-covid-exposure

 

I’m up next week and not looking forward to it. The first one only gave me a brief episode of chills. The Shingrix second shot probably was a good introduction, it was what you described. 

[rodheadlee]

On 2/8/2021 at 2:56 PM, rodheadlee said:

I get my first dose Wednesday at 1:50pm. My wife is only 64, she has to wait

No side effects with the Pfizer vaccine. San Diego has it going really good. I went to a super site and the line was about 100 meters long. I was only in line for 15 minutes. 

[mfbukowski]

1 hour ago, rodheadlee said:

No side effects with the Pfizer vaccine. San Diego has it going really good. I went to a super site and the line was about 100 meters long. I was only in line for 15 minutes. 

I love SD!

[3DOP]

6 hours ago, rodheadlee said:

No side effects with the Pfizer vaccine. San Diego has it going really good. I went to a super site and the line was about 100 meters long. I was only in line for 15 minutes. 

Hmmm. Rod...disappointed...

#1) 100 what? Meters? What's that? I thought you were American.

#2) Hussein Bolt does a hundred meters in around 11 seconds. 15 minutes! 15 minutes? You are proud of doing a hundred meters in 15 minutes. Lets try 25 seconds at our ages. I would be impressed at that. I think I would need at least twice as much time as Mr. Bolt.

#3) Glad for your non side effects.

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#4) Mom supposedly has this Covid. She lives about a mile (not that 60% kilometer Rod) away. I have power of attorney. Meeting with the doctor tomorrow. They ordinarily don't even let family talk to her on the telephone for fear of this Covid. They actually let my sister talk to her on the phone today! Good thing they have been keeping us away from her. Surely Mom would be unhappily dead already if they had allowed her to have seen her children, grandchildren, or great grandchildren in the last nine months. She would so have regretted being dead having been with loved ones than alive alone. Mom much prefers life alone than death with loved ones...So reasons authority. "She might die if we often let you selfish children of hers talk to her on the phone whenever you want!" But we need you to approve our latest method of keeping your mother's body alive without seeing any of her family again. Cancer is in the thyroid now. This supposed Covid is also supposedly present. Can't let her die so quick without family from that. Please let us give her lots of expensive medicine without family that Medicaid will cover. We want you to approve the latest experimental methods that will keep her Cancer/Covid body alive without family.  

#5) Yeah. #4 wasn't my best moment. My poor Mom. This is hard...Her name is Mrs. McKenzie if you would say a prayer.

#6) You are one of my favorites around here Rod. God bless.

3DOP

[Rain]

7 minutes ago, 3DOP said:

Hmmm. Rod...disappointed...

#1) 100 what? Meters? What's that? I thought you were American.

#2) Hussein Bolt does a hundred meters in around 11 seconds. 15 minutes! 15 minutes? You are proud of doing a hundred meters in 15 minutes. Lets try 25 seconds at our ages. I would be impressed at that. I think I would need at least twice as much time as Mr. Bolt.

#3) Glad for your non side effects.

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#4) Mom supposedly has this Covid. She lives about a mile (not that 60% kilometer Rod) away. I have power of attorney. Meeting with the doctor tomorrow. They ordinarily don't even let family talk to her on the telephone for fear of this Covid. They actually let my sister talk to her on the phone today! Good thing they have been keeping us away from her. Surely Mom would be unhappily dead already if they had allowed her to have seen her children, grandchildren, or great grandchildren in the last nine months. She would so have regretted being dead having been with loved ones than alive alone. Mom much prefers life alone than death with loved ones...So reasons authority. "She might die if we often let you selfish children of hers talk to her on the phone whenever you want!" But we need you to approve our latest method of keeping your mother's body alive without seeing any of her family again. Cancer is in the thyroid now. This supposed Covid is also supposedly present. Can't let her die so quick without family from that. Please let us give her lots of expensive medicine without family that Medicaid will cover. We want you to approve the latest experimental methods that will keep her Cancer/Covid body alive without family.  

#5) Yeah. #4 wasn't my best moment. My poor Mom. This is hard...Her name is Mrs. McKenzie if you would say a prayer.

#6) You are one of my favorites around here Rod. God bless.

3DOP

I'm sorry about your mom.  That's pretty rough to deal with.