General Conference word counts

[Peacefully]

 

1 hour ago, Rain said:

I asked my family.  He said the choir was superb, but close! 🙂 Elder Bednar did say it though.

From President Nelson’s talk this morning:

It requires humility to pray “with all energy of heart” (Moroni 7:48) for the gift of charity, President Nelson said, but those blessed “with this supernal gift” are long-suffering and kind, are not easily provoked and do not think evil of others.

Edited April 2, 2023 by Peacefully

[Rain]

13 minutes ago, Peacefully said:

 

From President Nelson’s talk this morning:

It requires humility to pray “with all energy of heart” (Moroni 7:48) for the gift of charity, President Nelson said, but those blessed “with this supernal gift” are long-suffering and kind, are not easily provoked and do not think evil of others.

With the timing I thought Tacenda was talking about the second time he talked, but I'm ok if we were wrong about it.  

[Peacefully]

22 minutes ago, Rain said:

With the timing I thought Tacenda was talking about the second time he talked, but I'm ok if we were wrong about it.  

Just trying to get in the spirit:) 

[Tacenda]

36 minutes ago, Rain said:

With the timing I thought Tacenda was talking about the second time he talked, but I'm ok if we were wrong about it.  

I missed the very last part of the morning session, but did catch the full afternoon session.  

[Rain]

9 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

I missed the very last part of the morning session, but did catch the full afternoon session.  

🙂

[Tacenda]

38 minutes ago, Rain said:

🙂

My sister posted this meme, this is the one I missed I think. It's an awesome talk!

 

 

Anger never persuades hostility builds no one, contention never leads to inspired solutions. As disciples of Jesus Christ, we are to be examples of how to interact with others, especially when we have differences of opinions. True disciples of Jesus Christ are pacemakers. We cannot support Satan with our verbal assaults and then think that we can still serve God. Contention is a choice, and peacemaking is a choice. You have your agency to choose contention or reconciliation. I urge you to be a peacemaker now and always. If your verbal arsenal is filled with insults and accusations, now is the time to put them away. I bless you to replace belligerence with beseeching, animosity with understanding, and contention with peace.

General Conference, April 2023, Russell M. Nelson

[Rain]

11 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

My sister posted this meme, this is the one I missed I think. It's an awesome talk!

 

 

Anger never persuades hostility builds no one, contention never leads to inspired solutions. As disciples of Jesus Christ, we are to be examples of how to interact with others, especially when we have differences of opinions. True disciples of Jesus Christ are pacemakers. We cannot support Satan with our verbal assaults and then think that we can still serve God. Contention is a choice, and peacemaking is a choice. You have your agency to choose contention or reconciliation. I urge you to be a peacemaker now and always. If your verbal arsenal is filled with insults and accusations, now is the time to put them away. I bless you to replace belligerence with beseeching, animosity with understanding, and contention with peace.

General Conference, April 2023, Russell M. Nelson

I agree!

[mfbukowski]

3 hours ago, The Nehor said:

It is an archaic use of the word "even" that basically means "namely".

No biggie but do you have a reference?

Or even a King James reference?

Why are Utah Mormons the only ones still using it?

Edited April 3, 2023 by mfbukowski

[InCognitus]

2 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

No biggie but do you have a reference?

Or even a King James reference?

Why are Utah Mormons the only ones still using it?

I just looked this up in the 1828 Websters Dictionary:

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2. Noting, emphatically, identity of person.

And behold I, even I, do bring a flood of waters on the earth. Genesis 6:17.

A good biblical example is used above.

I think Utah Mormons use it because it is in the KJV Bible and all through the Book of Mormon.  To give a few examples that I found (hopefully I have this usage right):

"And it came to pass that my father, Lehi, also found upon the plates of brass a genealogy of his fathers; wherefore he knew that he was a descendant of Joseph; yea, even that Joseph who was the son of Jacob, who was sold into Egypt, and who was preserved by the hand of the Lord, that he might preserve his father, Jacob, and all his household from perishing with famine".  (1 Nephi 5:14)

"Yea, even six hundred years from the time that my father left Jerusalem, a prophet would the Lord God raise up among the Jews—even a Messiah, or, in other words, a Savior of the world." (1 Nephi 10:4)

"And the angel said unto me: Behold the Lamb of God, yea, even the Son of the Eternal Father! Knowest thou the meaning of the tree which thy father saw?" (1 Nephi 11:21)

"And he loveth those who will have him to be their God. Behold, he loved our fathers, and he covenanted with them, yea, even Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; and he remembered the covenants which he had made; wherefore, he did bring them out of the land of Egypt."  (1 Nephi 17:40)

The word "even" is used 689 times in the Book of Mormon, so it's a biggie.  

And in the Doctrine and Covenants too:

"But that every man might speak in the name of God the Lord, even the Savior of the world" (Doctrine and Covenants 1:20)

"And after having received the record of the Nephites, yea, even my servant Joseph Smith, Jun., might have power to translate through the mercy of God, by the power of God, the Book of Mormon."  (Doctrine and Covenants 1:29)

"Which suffering caused myself, even God, the greatest of all, to tremble because of pain, and to bleed at every pore, and to suffer both body and spirit—and would that I might not drink the bitter cup, and shrink" (Doctrine and Covenants 19:18)

"And of tenets thou shalt not talk, but thou shalt declare repentance and faith on the Savior, and remission of sins by baptism, and by fire, yea, even the Holy Ghost." (Doctrine and Covenants 19:31)

"My son Orson, hearken and hear and behold what I, the Lord God, shall say unto you, even Jesus Christ your Redeemer" (Doctrine and Covenants 34:1)

And one of my favorites:  "Thus saith the Lord your God, even Jesus Christ, the Great I Am, Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the same which looked upon the wide expanse of eternity, and all the seraphic hosts of heaven, before the world was made"  (Doctrine and Covenants 38:1)

And the word "even" is used 411 times in the Doctrine and Covenants!

I think that might explain why it's used a lot in Utah. 

[The Nehor]

4 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

No biggie but do you have a reference?

Or even a King James reference?

Why are Utah Mormons the only ones still using it?

I remember reading about it somewhere years ago but can’t find it now. Closest I could find: https://genevapush.com/blogs/xian_reflections/the-horribly-confusing-and-archaic-epexegetical-even-in-the-niv/

I think we use it because we are the only ones that have it in ‘modern’ scripture. It probably doesn’t spread too much because most people only hear it in conference. I think it caught on in Utah and Idaho.

[Bernard Gui]

18 hours ago, Peacefully said:

President Nelson used “supernal.”

That makes 10 times.

[Bernard Gui]

9 hours ago, InCognitus said:

I think that might explain why it's used a lot in Utah

And elsewhere. I hear it many times, especially in prayers.

[Bernard Gui]

12 hours ago, Tacenda said:

My sister posted this meme, this is the one I missed I think. It's an awesome talk!

 

 

Anger never persuades hostility builds no one, contention never leads to inspired solutions. As disciples of Jesus Christ, we are to be examples of how to interact with others, especially when we have differences of opinions. True disciples of Jesus Christ are pacemakers. We cannot support Satan with our verbal assaults and then think that we can still serve God. Contention is a choice, and peacemaking is a choice. You have your agency to choose contention or reconciliation. I urge you to be a peacemaker now and always. If your verbal arsenal is filled with insults and accusations, now is the time to put them away. I bless you to replace belligerence with beseeching, animosity with understanding, and contention with peace.

General Conference, April 2023, Russell M. Nelson

Well, President Nelson is a heart surgeon, but I don’t thing he wants us all to be pacemakers, if that we even possible.

[Tacenda]

3 minutes ago, Bernard Gui said:

Well, President Nelson is a heart surgeon, but I don’t thing he wants us all to be pacemakers, if that we even possible.

Holy cow, I missed seeing that, lol!! OTOH, it could mean keeping up the pace.

Edited April 3, 2023 by Tacenda

[Bernard Gui]

On 4/2/2023 at 10:06 PM, mfbukowski said:

No biggie but do you have a reference?

Or even a King James reference?

Why are Utah Mormons the only ones still using it?

It’s another uncommon word or phrase that has been planted in our spiritual vocabulary. I’ve heard it a lot, even in Evangelical Protestant discourse. Perhaps folks feel it is a loftier or more elegant way to specify a respected person, position, or doctrine. A more modern word might be namely or specifically. While I don’t think it has become an affectation (unless folks are purposely trying to sound more pious), it does seem redundant to me.

Edited April 5, 2023 by Bernard Gui

[MustardSeed]

Kind of like “good” is overused in my area only at the pulpit :  “good bishop”. “Our good stake president” - not that the meaning is obscure, but that it’s only used at the pulpit.  Tender mercies too.  It’s kind of like if we hear it just enough at conference then it gets enveloped into our pulpit vernacular like Gui says to make us sound lofty.

By the way, when I read “even Jesus Christ” i hear in my head in a deep voice: 

eeeeeeven jeeeeesus christ.  

Edited April 3, 2023 by MustardSeed

[Kenngo1969]

17 hours ago, The Nehor said:

It is an archaic use of the word "even" that basically means "namely". For some reason even more modern Bible translations often use it. It also shows up in our scripture. ...

Freudian slip?  Deliberate?  (Just asking!)  

[Kenngo1969]

1 hour ago, Bernard Gui said:

Well, President Nelson is a heart surgeon, but I don’t thing he wants us all to be pacemakers, if that we even possible.

On the other hand, a pacemaker is someone who leads out in doing something.  If I'm in a race, and I notice a group that starts to break away from the main body of racers and to pick up the pace, if I want to be in contention near the end of the race I had better join that group.

OK, I admit ...  It's a stretch, but still ... (One should always stretch before running, as well.)    

[mfbukowski]

4 hours ago, MustardSeed said:

Kind of like “good” is overused in my area only at the pulpit :  “good bishop”. “Our good stake president” - not that the meaning is obscure, but that it’s only used at the pulpit.  Tender mercies too.  It’s kind of like if we hear it just enough at conference then it gets enveloped into our pulpit vernacular like Gui says to make us sound lofty.

By the way, when I read “even Jesus Christ” i hear in my head in a deep voice: 

eeeeeeven jeeeeesus christ.  

There is even a very subtle way "Christ" is often pronounced in Utah, the "s" is extended almost as if a soft c sound is inserted, "Chrisct" or  "Chrisst" or "Chrisht"- but softer.

Missionaries seem to catch this at MTC., I have even heard it from missionaries from foreign countries, trained in Utah

And then of course the usual pronunciation of "special" as "spatial".  There are others too of course 

But thank goodness "ponderize" never caught on!

Edited April 3, 2023 by mfbukowski

[T-Shirt]

55 minutes ago, mfbukowski said:

There is even a very subtle way "Christ" is often pronounced in Utah, the "s" is extended almost as if a soft c sound is inserted, "Chrisct" or  "Chrisst" or "Chrisht"- but softer.

Missionaries seem to catch this at MTC., I have even heard it from missionaries from foreign countries, trained in Utah

And then of course the usual pronunciation of "special" as "spatial".  There are others too of course 

But thank goodness "ponderize" never caught on!

And, "real" is pronounced as "rill"

Edited April 3, 2023 by T-Shirt

[MustardSeed]

7 minutes ago, T-Shirt said:

And, "real" is pronounced as "rill"

And idea is “idih” 

there’s a very strong Utah accent.  Can particularly be heard in my mother, and from the General RS president. 

[ksfisher]

3 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

There is even a very subtle way "Christ" is often pronounced in Utah, the "s" is extended almost as if a soft c sound is inserted, "Chrisct" or  "Chrisst" or "Chrisht"- but softer.

Missionaries seem to catch this at MTC., I have even heard it from missionaries from foreign countries, trained in Utah

And then of course the usual pronunciation of "special" as "spatial".  There are others too of course 

But thank goodness "ponderize" never caught on!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_American_English

"The West was the last area in the United States to be reached during the gradual westward expansion of settlement by English speakers and its history shows considerable mixing and leveling of the linguistic patterns of other regions. Therefore, since the settlement populations are relatively young when compared with other regions, the American West continues to be a dialect region in formation.^"

I also understand the "Utah" accent, which you seem to take great joy in pointing out and making fun of and is really just part of the larger western US group, is influenced by immigrants from the British Isles.  Scots, Irish, Welsh.  The Wikipedia article doesn't mention this, but I recall reading something about it a year or two ago.  

Edited April 3, 2023 by ksfisher

[pogi]

Curiously, "she" is ranked at #24 while "he" didn't make the list in the top 500.

[mfbukowski]

1 hour ago, T-Shirt said:

And, "real" is pronounced as "rill"

Ats a rill nas point.

[pogi]

"Work" is ranked #36 while "grace" didn't make the list in the top 500.