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  1. Good song, as well, but I was thinking of a different one. Sorry for any confusion.
  2. It's awesome that your wife gets that opportunity, Dude! (Um, I mean, Brother Dude! Sorry! ) And you're right: We don't realize what we have. As Cinderella* sang so well, "Don't know what you got 'til it's gone." *The group, not the fairy tale star.
  3. It's too bad that these records are available only to members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Oh, wait. No, they're available to anyone with a computer and an Internet connection, or to anyone who can visit one of the many Family History Centers of the Church of Jesus Christ, aren't they? Sorry. My bad.
  4. I have read about what he did in the military, but I do not own the books I read nor do I have them in my possession, so I suppose, as far as documentation goes, that you're out of luck, darn it! Oh, well! Life is like that, sometimes. The "what if?" isn't meant to illustrate what then-Doctor-Nelson did. The "what if?" is meant to buttress the point that it is possible for what he did do to benefit even you, a point that, still, you have not granted even though I should think that it would be obvious. But don't worry. I'm not holding my breath. As regards specifics, that may be true. But, in general, I'm sure President Nelson has great respect for those who have worn the uniform and who have served. Okay.
  5. Read my post again. I alluded to or implied what he did, both in the first paragraph of my previous post and in the question that I asked you at the end of that post ... which, of course, you have not answered. And, no, I'm not changing my posting style simply because it offends you. I was here long before you got here, and I'm sure I'll be here long after you leave.
  6. Richard Lloyd Anderson (1981), Investigating the Book of Mormon Witnesses, Salt Lake City UT: Deseret Book. https://deseretbook.com/p/investigating-book-mormon-witnesses-richard-l-anderson-5339?variant_id=104424-paperback
  7. Right, because it's not like Dr. Nelson knew how to do anything that would be useful for doctors in M*A*S*H units over in Korea to learn, or anything. He just went over there to visit them. "Well, thanks for the hospitality, boys! It's always interesting to visit someplace I've never been, but I've stayed long enough, and had best be on my way!" I realize the timeline is off so my analogy is imperfect, but what if someone such as a Dr. Nelson taught something to surgeons that, in turn, enabled those surgeons to save your life just after you had been brought in from being wounded on the battlefield, SCC?
  8. Is this sort of a Hobson's Choice for leaders of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints? Don't have a category labeled "Women," and be open to accusations of, "Come on! Leaders of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are completely tone deaf! They don't understand the special challenges that women face." Do have such a category, and be open to accusations of, "Come on! This is the 21st century, for crying out loud! Why do they even need to have a separate category for women? How sexist!" Six for one, half-a-dozen for the other? Is the Church of Jesus Christ (along with its leaders) "Danged if it does, and danged if it don't"?
  9. None of this was life threatening, nor did any of it involve predatory behavior by someone else, so I'm sure there will be those who dismiss it, but I have experienced both the "God-intervened/Did-I-not-speak-peace-to-your-mind?" moments and the "Where-was-God-when-I-needed-Him-most?" moments. I wasn't particularly different, less faithful, or disobedient when I experienced the latter, nor was I particularly different, more faithful, or more obedient when I experienced the former. I have pleaded for help and answers regarding certain aspects of my life and yet ... strangely ... God seems ... stubbornly ... silent. T'is a puzzle, wrapped in an conundrum, wrapped in an enigma. Essentially, I think God has told me, "Look, Ken. If you want to credit [or to weigh] our Where-was-I-when-you-needed-Me-most moments more than you credit [or than you weigh] our Did-I-not-speak-Peace-to-your-mind moments, absolutely. You're absolutely free to do that ... but that is your choice. It's entirely up to you."
  10. "In the hole he goes" = "Holy Ghost"? Oooooh-kay! Some puns are good because they're so ... bad. Did you hear the one about the pun contest in which ten puns were entered ... but these puns were awful ... horrible ... I mean really bad. So which pun won? Well, no pun in ten did. [Badum-pum Psssssssh!] Thanks, you're a great crowd! I'll be here all week. Try the chicken! It's delicious!
  11. President Dallin H. Oaks. He was expecting to be drafted, but I don't believe it ever happened.
  12. I'm reminded of some lyrics from one of my favorite songs. (They're not "celestial," so I hope you'll forgive me if, normally, seeing this kind of thing posted on the Sabbath offends you [you're welcome to look away, ignore my post, et cetera]. ) That is all. I'm sorry I didn't make a substantive contribution to the thread. Perhaps I will return after taking the opportunity to cogitate on it a bit.
  13. Okay. I'll keep that in mind. The sad thing is that, our respective attitudes toward the Church of Jesus Christ aside, you might well find that you and I probably have more in common than you realize if you were willing to explore that possibility, but I suppose, if your main (sole?) purpose in being here is to call out everybody in the Church of Jesus Christ who has wronged you, there is no room for that. I wish you well.
  14. Luke 18:19. But thank you. I appreciate the sentiment.
  15. For what it's worth, I think what 2BizE is referring to is President Nelson's efforts to attempt to get people to use the full name of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and to avoid omitting the name of Jesus Christ from the short form, Church of Jesus Christ.
  16. Man, dealing with you is like trying to hug a porcupine, I swear! And you know what? If your family members are a bunch of self-righteous, judgmental pricks, I'm sorry. Some people are. Maybe a lot of people are. But it's no better attempting to use offense, or hurt, or disagreement, or fill-in-the-blank here as fuel, constantly, as it seems that you are attempting to do. That's simply exhausting, and, in my book, doesn't get you anywhere, and just adds more fuel to the fire because you come across as unlikeable whether you really are or not. So we have a self-fulfilling prophecy: Church members are judgmental (maybe they are, and yes, that's wrong). But you, rather than letting bygones be bygones, seem determined to continue to behave in ways and to say things that you know are going to get people of a certain mindset to pass judgment on you ... And around, and around, and around, and around it goes! It seems that your disaffection and offense-taking is what gets you out of bed in the morning! Sheesh! I wish you well, but I don't see any point in trying to dialogue with you further. Porcupine, With Quills Out: Hug me! Hug me! Hug meeeeeeee!! The Rest of the World: Well, if your quills weren't out ... Porcupine: Awwww! How could you be so mean to me??!!! All the best, -Ken
  17. @Garden Girl Garden Girrrrrrrrrrl! My Sister! BYU has had, not just one, but two big wins, one against an arch-rival that had been quite the thorn in the Cougs' side in recent years (after 9 straight losses to it in football ... It's one of my alma maters, but, Shhhhh! That'll be our little secret! ) with nary a word from you, which is uncharacteristic of you! I was wondering why we hadn't heard from you and if everything is OK. Hope you and Your Kitty are well! Warm Regards & Best Wishes, -Ken
  18. I agree with you that we should be circumspect and use great care in the language we choose to use, and the way I see it, whether we realize it or not, all of us (or at least most all of us; there are rare exceptions, perhaps) are simply "strangers in a strange land," doing our best, as fundamentally spiritual beings who, therefore, are out of our element, to navigate this confusing morass called mortality. In many (perhaps most) cases there's more bad even in the best of us and more good even in the worst of us than we might suspect. All of us are "apostate" in the sense that we "All have sinned and come short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23). And none of us possibly can make it halfway through this life or into the next without the Savior. That said, I think there is a difference between one who simply takes one's leave or ceases one's participation, on the one hand, and one who attempts actively to bring others with him and, from the perspective of the Church of Jesus Christ, thereby, to lead others astray. Thus, leaving or ceasing participation is one thing; one attempting to bring others with him as he leaves is another. Even Christ, with His message of love and concern for all, said that there would be wolves among the sheep and cautioned His Apostles, therefore, to be "wise as serpents, and harmless as doves" (Matthew 10:16). While I do think that the term should be used with great care, and, certainly, should not be not overused, there are cases in which it might apply. See also the first two paragraphs of my reply to you, above. Recall Christ's stern admonition about what should happen if one should offend one of "these little ones," i.e., members of His Church. While, generally, the Church of Jesus Christ encourages use of the KJV, in looking up that scripture, I found that the English Standard Version doesn't mince words in translation about what, precisely, Christ was saying. It says: As I said above, "seeking" and "searching" for "another way to express [one's] spirituality" is one thing. Seeking to lead others astray is quite another. As always, I wish you well, My Friend. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to think about the issues you raise and to examine my faith and my relationships with others, both within and outside the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, in light of them.
  19. Well, at least you feel strongly enough about something that you're willing to give your life for it. Many people cannot even say that much. I laud you for that commitment, as well as, also, your commitment to country and to community. We have something in common: I come from a law enforcement family, and would have followed in the footsteps of my father and of my older brother if other considerations had not intruded to preclude that possibility. On both counts, thank you for your service. It's easier and more productive to talk about people than about institutions, since the latter would not exist without the former. And to the extent that anyone in the Church of Jesus Christ marginalizes you, that is inconsistent with the teachings of the Church. Well, as Joseph Smith told his associates, and as each of his successors very likely would admit, as well, "I never told you I was perfect." I hope you'll forgive me if I'm not willing to accept, uncritically, your judgment of your family members, since they're not here to provide a different perspective or to defend themselves. Also, with due respect, you seem to sacrifice consistency for the sake of seizing the opportunity to pass judgment: On the one hand, you say that the Church of Jesus Christ is the most important thing in the lives of your family members, yet, on the other hand, you say that you believe they would be unwilling to die for it. If one lacks a cause for which one would be willing to die, then perhaps it is worth asking for what one is living.
  20. Of course. If one is going to sue somebody, one has to get money however and from whomever one can, actual liability be damned. If the proposed contribution of the Church of Jesus Christ to the settlement were divided only among victims who are or were Latter-day Saints, it would work out to more than $100K per victim. While I understand why, given the harm that occurred, some people might think that's insufficient, it's hardly chump change. I'm starting to understand more about why the Church of Jesus Christ dropped Scouting.
  21. No, you're right, there does seem to be more "noise" being made among disaffected Latter-day Saints now than at many times in the past, although if our detractors had had their way, they would have been able to "nip" the ascension of the nascent Church of Jesus Christ "in the bud," as it were. Had they been successful, of course, we would not be having this conversation. As bothersome as any opposition we might face now is, however, given a choice between "podcast and exposé," on the one hand, and "powder and ball," on the other, as much as I'd like to have to not deal with either, I much prefer the former. Perhaps at least some of today's podcasters would do well to ponder at least somewhat more deeply why it was that their ancestors (whether those ancestors are literal "blood" ancestors or metaphorical spiritual ancestors) were willing to face even death without renouncing their testimonies of the Restored Gospel.
  22. Fixed it for you. OK, in all seriousness, I know your hypothesis is that the phenomenon is especially pronounced among the young. That may be: I don't know. "The Internet made (is making) them do it"? Again, I don't know. If you ask me, the technosavviness gap between young and older has existed for enough time that I'm not sure that "they suddenly discovered the truth on the Internet" is a viable explanation. I don't know how much comfort this is to the parent of a wayward child, but the scripture does say, "Train up a child in the way he should go and when he is old, he will not depart from it"
  23. Richard L. Bushman (2007), Joseph Smith: Rough Stone Rolling, New York: Vintage. https://deseretbook.com/p/joseph-smith-rough-stone-rolling-richard-l-bushman-5351?variant_id=104298-paperback
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